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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg we have them all in one

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room ladies and gentlemen well a virtual

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room anyway we have Chris O'Brien's

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somewhere in our zona gene Steinberg who

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knows and Nick Redfern in Texas but he's

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not a cowboy or have you because of the

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years you spent in Texas Nick Redfern

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have you started wearing the western hat

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the six guys and everything you have not

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become an honorary Texan I like the Colt

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the Texas culture and everything and and

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the paint it's just you know I just do

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my own thing clothes why is that salsa I

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really have to talk to my niece she and

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her husband have lived in Houston for a

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while but I haven't heard from her for

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several years I haven't heard anything

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about what might have happened as a

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result of that hurricane so I just hope

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that she's all right that Lori is all

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right but I haven't heard from her

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you kind of wonder sometimes you lose

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touch with family members she's - we'll

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have to find out Lori Kincaid her name

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is so if anyone knows her you know tell

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her jeans looking for her find what

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she's doing before we get started with

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our Halloween one of our Halloween shows

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about shapeshifters and all those weird

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creatures even a man who is pure in

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heart and says his prayers by night may

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become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms

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and the autumn moon is bright you

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there were a couple of different

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versions they one was the autumn moon is

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bright the other one the moon is full

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and bright because they wanted to make

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the phenomenon happen all around the

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year so they changed way things were

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done so before we get started we've got

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multiple threads in the power cast

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forums and Nick you might want to get

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involved in this once Chris and I talked

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about it mentioning the one the only Tom

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DeLonge and this event that he had and

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I'm not sure what to the stars is gonna

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do but it's not disclosure it's raising

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money for some advanced scientific

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projects I've lost track of this Nick

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have you been following at all it began

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really just as an aside I actually met

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Tom DeLonge about nine years ago eight

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years ago and he was actually he wasn't

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speaker anything like that he was

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attending one of Ryan woods crashed UFO

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conferences in Vegas and he particularly

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wanted to say Jim Marrs who was on the

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speaker bill and I recognized him he was

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and said you know we had a chat all

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about sort of a UFOs and punk music and

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whatever but so you know it shows his

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interest actually does go back a long

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long time even though it wasn't sort of

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publicized backing sort of 2008-2009

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when he went to see Jim Marrs talk yeah

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I mean sort of likely you know that the

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way that it all began in the last year

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or whatever more you know it all kind of

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started off that this was going to be

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sort of a road towards UFO disclosure

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you know that he had sources and

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information and this was all going to

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come tumbling out etc etc he didn't he

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hasn't know like you said this is

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nothing to do with disclosure it's all

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about you know sort of and technologies

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and and getting people on board you know

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with funding etc but none of these

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surprises me because you know over the

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years I've written numerous articles

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about disclosure mysterious universe and

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I have no faith and I've never had any

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faith that disclosure is coming I think

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it's all just garbage you know it's kind

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of like

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the boy who cried wolf it's like how

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many times do we have to hear it's

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coming and it never comes it's not a

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case of me giving up on disclosure I've

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never had any faith in him in the first

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place I think it's just there's just

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nothing to it you know I mean I remember

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you know when the whole mj-12 document

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being kicked off in 87 when the mj-12

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documents surfaced

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people were saying oh you know this is

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gonna be the first step to disclosure

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and then you know Steven Greer was

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talking about it in the early 2000 and

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then Steve Bassett and it still hasn't

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come so you know if it comes you know

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we'll see if it doesn't come well be at

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all surprised at all you know and rich

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Dolan was also talking about it you know

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sort of after disclosure what they you

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know what the result would be well you

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know that's all that's all fair and fine

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but you can only really predict what

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life's gonna be after like after

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disclosure when you actually had

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disclosure so for me it's in case of

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okay been there seen it done it you know

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move on because it's just clearly you

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know the patent he's just going on and

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on and on of there's never any

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breakthrough at all there's just people

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claiming there's gonna be a breakthrough

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you see what bothers me about all this

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is I'm accused of keeping my head in the

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1950s but all this stuff is just

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repeating the 1950s all over again

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whatever they did then they just changed

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a few words a few planets and they just

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repeat the same old nonsense the thing

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that bothers me is if there was ever

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something real to disclose and some of

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real event that might happen who would

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believe it after all this well there's a

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lot of interesting questions to be asked

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if you know disclosure does come for

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example you know one of the interesting

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ones is if disclosure isn't what people

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are expecting then they're gonna say

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well it's still not disclosure I mean

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let's say for example the government

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says yes we're going to disclose and

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they say aliens did crash at Roswell

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then and we've got five bodies or four

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bodies or whatever

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ufology would be rather the moon and you

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know but if they then say

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but cattle mutilations are just germ

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warfare experiments you would have some

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researchers say no that's garbage

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aliens we're doing cattle mutilations so

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in other words we make even if we get

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disclosure because of prejudices and

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deep deeply held belief systems in

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ufology if you follow just don't hear

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everything they want to but they want to

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hear then the chances are they'll say it

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isn't real disclosure so even if the

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government's you know is doing this out

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to the good of its heart you know

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they're still in a difficult place if

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people won't accept the government's

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version of disclosure you know I mean

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what if they said yeah we've got oh you

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everywhere else but alien abductions

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it's just dreams it's not nightmares in

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people's heads you know again you'd have

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that position of people saying it's not

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real disclosure so you know if he comes

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there's gonna be problems based on what

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the government says it actually knows

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well well one thing that is very

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intriguing to me is the cast of

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characters that now have been publicly

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identified by de long which includes

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including how put off who I was a little

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what make of the of the actual

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participants involved in this Nick we've

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got some pretty high-powered individuals

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there are some high-profile high power

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figures in it but we're talking about

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something that deals with sort of future

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alternative technologies and things like

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that so they are the kind of people that

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you would perhaps to have on board but

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that's not what we were told that the

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launch was going to be involved in when

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he first came on board and so in other

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words he doesn't surprise me that this

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program with alternative technologies

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etc etc would have such people on board

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him had these insider sources and it was

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information out there and it would be a

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form of disclosure well it's nothing to

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do with disclosure at all even the issue

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of advanced technologies you know

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there's no solid illusion that it's

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connected to alien technology but we'll

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have more about this but then we're

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gonna go into shapeshifters Nick Redfern

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we're talking about Nick Redferns book

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on shapeshifters but let's get through

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this first all this stuff about alleged

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disclosure what also surprised me and

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Paul Campbell has been ragging on her I

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think for this and other reasons is that

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Lesley Kane climbed on to this Tom

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DeLonge story and article HuffPost

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and I kind of wondered about that

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because I didn't think of her as a

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person who get really interested by this

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article I mean what I would say I think

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why the whole issue of disclosure is so

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appealing to a lot a lot of people is

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because after seventy years of no proof

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coming through

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I think people view it is sort of the

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the last chance to get the proof we're

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looking for in other words you know it's

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kind of like the one thing that could

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blow the whole thing wide open would be

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disclosure so I think that's why even

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though I don't think it's coming even I

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acknowledge that disclosure

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he's the thing that could open the doors

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and I think that's why people find it so

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appealing and why they're so drawn to it

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because it's the make-or-break thing

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I think for that reason more than

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anything else that's why people are

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driven to it because since 47 the

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government hasn't complained and also

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the intelligence is behind the UFO

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phenomena and the real UFO phenomenon

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they haven't you know sort of landed on

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the White House lawn or hasn't been some

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widespread sudden appearance in the

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skies of thousands of UFOs that hasn't

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happened either so in other words nobody

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is disclosing I saw them and people I

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think as you know they get older and

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they they see time running away from

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them they get more and more driven

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towards well we've got to get disclosure

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because you know in 20 years or whatever

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they're going to be 95 or something and

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and I won't even got the answers so I

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think I think that's why it's so

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appealing to so many because it doesn't

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promise we're gonna get answers but it's

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the one way conceivably that we could

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get answers that's why people are driven

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to it like a magnet you know well I

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think at this point in my age I have to

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say then unless it happens real soon I

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won't be around to see it not that

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people my age are you old anymore you

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know I run across people in their 80s

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and 90s routinely now so I expect that

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you know I'll be around and maybe there

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will be disclosure but probably there

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will be self-driving cars first so I can

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get around when I can't drive anymore

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well I think the important thing to sort

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of realize and he's like it's like a

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realization is that regardless of who

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says what or you know the promise of

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this or the promise of that nothing has

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ever come through you know I mean I've

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been to conferences in the past 2001 and

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to where people were saying I've got

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insider sources you know and it's common

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in 2002 2002 comes around it's coming in

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2003 and this kept going on and on in

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other words the likelihood we well is

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that we won't get disclosure and why I

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say that is because you just have to

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look at the past it hasn't happened

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despite all these promises

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so why should we even assume that it's

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gonna happen after all that you know my

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view is that nobody delivered on it

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because nobody can deliver on it and the

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chances are nobody will deliver on it

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because the way I look at it is the big

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question that often doesn't get asked

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it's not a matter of whether we get

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disclosure its what benefits the people

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hide in it to disclose you know and if

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they have nothing solid or beneficial

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for them to disclose they won't disclose

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so I think the important thing is to

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think about that is there a raise and

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why from their perspective that they

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should disclose and if there isn't they

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probably won't seen so I don't know

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what's gonna happen with this

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crowdsourcing project from Tom DeLonge I

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don't think I wanna covers why I think

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it didn't was purely and simply because

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it was not what everybody was initially

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led to think it was yeah advanced

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technologies alternative technologies

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you know new ways of radical ways of you

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know introducing new technologies that's

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all cool stuff but you know it's nothing

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to do with releasing you know the files

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on Roswell

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or the files on the cache Landrum case

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or what the government knows about

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abductions regardless of what we got now

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that is what people thought were coming

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I disagree a little bit Nick I've been

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saying all along it it's just another

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way for someone to attempt to monetize

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the subject and to to make money so

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admit met with my expectations you know

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with des langues I mean I mean blink-182

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you know words still are a huge band you

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know sold in the millions literally

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millions of copies so I don't see him as

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being someone who needs to do what he's

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doing I mean

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not like most bands who you know go on

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until they're 70 you know or that like

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the Rolling Stones or you know bands

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like Aerosmith who announced not too

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long ago you know their farewell tour

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when they're sort of pushing 70 you know

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he's released

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what late thirties early forties

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something like that maybe so in other

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words he as a rock star he could

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continue doing that for years and and

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still have a massive income so I know

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I'm not saying there aren't people in

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disclosure who you know say the monetary

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angle of it but I don't see that with

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him I actually do think he has a genuine

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interest but I don't see him as someone

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who is sure I'm Penny's you know well

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you know with rock and roll you never

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know some of these people just live

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beyond their means he's 41 and he'll be

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42 on December 13 and I did find a story

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in a psycho the a/v Club Tom DeLonge is

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crowdsourcing a spaceship oh well and

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remember he's a former member of

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blink-182 so we don't know how much

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money he actually pulled in this

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possibly didn't pull much at all kicked

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off in the late 90s called enema of the

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state I mean that that was a huge seller

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that was like you know gigantic in the

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UK where I was still living at the time

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so you know and he's only been a couple

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of years since he quit the band so you

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know we're talking about 1314 years of

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being an extremely successful bands so

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but you said I mean unless somebody

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really lives beyond their means I

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honestly don't think you know he's short

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of cash yeah I was actually being a bit

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cynical and and I didn't really mean

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that literally that he needs money but I

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do think that the UH the underpinnings

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of this whole thing does I think revolve

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around monetizing the subject whether

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he's doing it for his own personal

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enrichment or first other

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maybe more altruistic motivations I'm

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not sure but but I just see it's hard

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not to be you know to get a little

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cynical when you're when you're dealing

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with this subject and and in the way

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that the Greer's and the you know some

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of the people in this field that are

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obviously in it for personal enrichment

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under the guise of being real genuine

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and having you know genuine motivations

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web more to come with Nick Jean and

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announced of disclosure gone kaput not

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gonna happen in my lifetime don't think

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we've finished with the subject I think

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somebody's gonna come forward in the

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next few months whatever and say oh yeah

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etc whether they have or not in some

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cases they may well have but you know I

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think a lot of this is sort of dangling

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a carrot in front of ufology to make it

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look stupid when you follow just say oh

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I've been told it's coming then he

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doesn't I think this is that part to it

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as well but the anticipation and you

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know maybe there are genuine leaks or

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leaks that appear genuine I should say

629
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put out to fire up ufology and then when

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it never happens people get cynical they

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get skeptical and they move away from

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the subject because nothing happens and

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so I think I would be surprised if there

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isn't like an orchestrated program

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somewhere on the inside to say hey you

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know it's time to tell the guys again

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that disclosures coming and we'll just

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disillusion or a bit more and a few

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people walk away from him I wouldn't be

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surprised if that doesn't go on as well

641
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a bit the book from Nick Redfern is

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called shapeshifters morphing monsters

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and changing cryptids and one review on

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Amazon kind of sums it up we live in a

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strange strange world do you explore the

646
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original legends where these things are

647
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merged from in this book well yeah you

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know a lot of books have been written

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over the years of shapeshifters we'd be

650
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you know the vast majority of them

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focusing on tales of werewolves now if

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you're going to do a book on

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shapeshifters you've got to have at

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least a couple of chapters in the hair

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on shapeshifters and I've got I've got

656
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the first three chapters in the book do

657
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deal with that angle you know going back

658
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to sort of ancient tales folklore myths

659
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and legends of werewolves in the classic

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imagery that people talk about you know

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some shape-shifting full moons silver

662
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bullets the whole thing

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but a lot of it is sort of based in you

664
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know folklore mythology but what I

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didn't want to do is just sort of go

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over all ground and just write a history

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of werewolves because you would just be

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using you know the same old cases over

669
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and over again so what I did was to sort

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of dig into a lot of my files where I

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got some really weird stories where

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people had said they've seen

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shapeshifters in terms in relation to

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cryptozoology to the UFO subject even to

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in relation to men in black cases but in

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a lot of these reports that I've got

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which I talked about in the book the

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shape-shift shape-shifting isn't you

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know sort of like you know some guy

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bursting out of his clothes and you know

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sprouting hair and fangs at the sides of

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the for mode and slaughtering a bunch of

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kids in the woods you know it's actually

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most of the cases aren't like that it's

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almost what we might call like an energy

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based shift where these things can

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perhaps somehow alter their I'll either

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alter their appearance to where we

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perceive them as having shape-shift did

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you know where maybe they have the

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ability to make us see what they want us

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to see or the idea of sort of the

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manipulation of matter even for the most

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part you know witnesses aren't talking

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about the traditional angle of like as I

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said you know that you would expect

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expect to see some you know like the

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underworld movies or American Werewolf

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in London there are very few cases like

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that but there is still what we recall

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shape-shifting but it's it's kind of

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alternative to what most people's

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perceptions really are did you happen to

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catch the article that came out a couple

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three days ago about the recent

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appearance of the monarch in England

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Queen Elizabeth all of a sudden of the

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Twitter was overrun with people claiming

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that as they were watching her on some

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TV coverage all of a sudden people are

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freaking out saying that that she would

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had shape-shifted momentarily into a

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reptilian form

714
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I forget what the the Twitter tag was it

715
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was hashtag reptilian Queen became one

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of the top ten Twitter

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whenever they called tweets or whatever

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or buzzes for a period of time well

719
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after this allegedly occurred did you

720
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hear about that what do you think of

721
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that I mean it's one of these things

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where it's almost like too good to be

723
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true

724
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you know I would you know I'm sort of

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sitting back and waiting for the whole

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thing to come tumbling out one way or

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another personally you know I don't

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think the royal family are flesh-eating

729
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reptiles at all I've known I should

730
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stress I have no love for the royal

731
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family I think they're outmoded outdated

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and they're just really exist to bring

733
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tourism and you know the monetary

734
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aspects of tourism to feed the country

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so to speak or the economy because you

736
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know we have a prime minister which is

737
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like the equivalent of a president it's

738
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:43,919
not like the Queen or the royal family

739
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,710
rule the country you know we have

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political parties conservatives and

741
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labour predominantly that's that run the

742
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country so you know in other words for

743
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:56,700
me I I think they should be abolished I

744
00:33:02,270 --> 00:32:59,610
think you know the concept of a royal

745
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:02,280
family is just so ok there's just they

746
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,010
just exist for no reason really so I'm

747
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:07,860
not fan of them but I don't think they

748
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:10,530
sort of flesh that flesh-eating reptiles

749
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:13,890
either no they just eat money David Icke

750
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is one of the people responsible for

751
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this reptilian stuff well ease in

752
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:21,360
relation to you know that this the royal

753
00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:24,270
family angle etc but I mean throughout

754
00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:28,590
history you can find tales of you know

755
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:30,929
sure we're of reptilian side creatures I

756
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,210
mean a good example if you look at sort

757
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,460
of Mesoamerican history you know quite

758
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:38,340
soon Quetzalcoatl you know is like a has

759
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:40,340
been sort of perceived as like a

760
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:44,640
reptilian side creature you know you can

761
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:48,299
find stories kind of similar lizard

762
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:52,020
people and so on you know throughout you

763
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:55,049
know a lot of 40 and pastry but as

764
00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:57,870
interesting as this breaking story is

765
00:34:01,670 --> 00:33:59,910
you know I

766
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:01,680
wouldn't be at all surprised if he comes

767
00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:03,000
down to the fact that you know if

768
00:34:07,550 --> 00:34:04,560
somebody's got the footage or whatever

769
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:07,560
then he'll be manipulated footage you

770
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:09,090
know sometimes these stories are

771
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,669
interesting sometimes but too good to be

772
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:13,070
true

773
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:16,500
obviously we know of course that the

774
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,050
monarchy and Great Britain is certainly

775
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:22,200
Alf motive there's another story by the

776
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:26,540
way is Mark Zuckerberg actually a lizard

777
00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:31,770
I should stress I actually you know

778
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:35,100
don't really put any faith for the most

779
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:38,970
part in the angle of you know painful

780
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:42,570
shape-shifting into lizards I mean you

781
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,800
know we're talking about we're not

782
00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:45,960
talking about a strange creature that

783
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:47,880
can alter his form we're talking about

784
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,310
people that can take on the forms of

785
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:52,320
reptilians that's where I have the

786
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,820
problem with I mean because I actually

787
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:55,980
do have some cases in the book where

788
00:35:00,620 --> 00:34:58,560
people saw like a strange creature

789
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:00,630
morphing to a reptilian and then morph

790
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,430
into something else but there was no

791
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:05,040
human components but that and that's the

792
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,930
thing that makes me very skeptical about

793
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,060
these shape-shifting reptilian to the

794
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:11,820
royal family is we expect you to believe

795
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:14,910
that human beings can transform into

796
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:18,780
reptiles and for me that's that's sort

797
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,230
of too far yes too far too extreme the

798
00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:25,140
idea that a human being could take on

799
00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:28,760
the form of a reptilian but I'm quite

800
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:30,840
unbinding on the idea that some of the

801
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:32,430
paranormal things I talk about in the

802
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:35,640
book could take on the form of a

803
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:39,270
reptilian so either it's not true which

804
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:41,670
I don't think it is or you know the only

805
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:43,770
way I could say that the royal family

806
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:46,050
concerning to reptiles would be if they

807
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:47,820
weren't human to begin with but they

808
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,770
clearly are well I remember in the TV

809
00:35:57,830 --> 00:35:55,740
show True Blood which you may or may not

810
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:57,840
have seen I'll have to break in a moment

811
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:00,780
the way they do it there is they would

812
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:02,130
apparently take their clothes off

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because it was kind of a raunchy r-rated

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show and then they'd become whatever

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they're going to become but there was no

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paranormal radio now I was expecting

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Chris to howl like a wolf werewolves of

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London I like that song though the one

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from Warren Zevon except I always had

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the impression when I heard that song

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that he was kind of making it up as he

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was singing it don't know if I get that

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impression alright let's move into it

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there is however a mental illness or

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something whereas someone is a

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lycanthrope

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we're actually they believe they turn

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into wolves well yeah I mean it's

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basically you know a situation where you

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have this sort of psychological

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condition where people you know over the

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centuries are bullying they've

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transformed not just into sort of wolves

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but into numerous different types of

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animals for example in West Africa you

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know they have these leopard cults where

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in some cases you know they dress up in

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leopard skins and you know they fashion

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these leopard claws but in other cases

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they really believe you know they go

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into altered states they believe they

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can take on the form of a leopard but

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then actually not physically changing

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it's like it's a radical alteration in

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the mind you know you can look at some

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of these stories of werewolves from the

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Middle Ages where you know they were

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slaughtering children etc where they

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were clearly deranged serial killers who

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believed you know they they would

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transform it into various animals

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including wolves so you know there's no

964
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doubt that certainly some of the stories

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of werewolves in the distant past and

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you know up until fifteen sixteen

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hundred etc where people with deranged

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you know mental states it's an important

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part of the story because it

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demonstrates this other side of

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shape-shifting you know the idea that

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you actually don't

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bu you believe you're changing and of

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course people in that state can be

975
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highly dangerous and you know it's a

976
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fascinating part of shape-shifting but

977
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which has its origins in the world of

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Medicine rather than the world of the

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paranormal

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you know there's various reasons as to

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what might have caused you know someone

982
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to change I mean one example would be

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like God you know if you get that into

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your system that can cause graphic

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hallucination and you know people do

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believe you know they're sort of

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transforming into bizarre creatures we

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don't really fully know why that is the

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response and the reaction that people

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have you know but but they do have it so

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it's important to sort of make a

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distinction between what may be a

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supernatural change versus just some

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crazy guy rampaging through the woods

995
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and killing people which a lot of those

996
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earlier cases were in it also I wonder

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here if this is a symptom of some kind

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of multiple personality disorder where

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someone doesn't physically change they

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simply seem to become someone else and

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behave like somebody else then again we

1002
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can consider The Strange Case of dr.

1003
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:28,100
Jekyll and mr. Hyde to be a shapeshifter

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because you had two different men with

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somewhat different appearances as dr.

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Henry Jekyll and of course mr. Hyde a

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good example like that you know when you

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talk about multiple personalities you

1009
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could have a multiple personality where

1010
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one is more sort of animalistic I mean

1011
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one of the most sort of infamous

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werewolves if you like of all time was a

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guy named Peter Stubb who lived in

1014
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Germany and he was responsible for

1015
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killing no end of young children and he

1016
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became known as a werewolf I mean you

1017
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:05,480
know they that's literally what he

1018
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:07,880
became known as within Germany this sort

1019
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:12,050
of deranged serial killer in the 1500s

1020
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but there was a werewolf angle to it

1021
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where he believed that he had this a

1022
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girdle that he would put round his

1023
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middle and then when he put it tied

1024
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:22,490
together you supposedly changed into

1025
00:45:26,299 --> 00:45:25,070
like a werewolf and his body would be

1026
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covered him

1027
00:45:31,699 --> 00:45:28,799
his hands returning to paws with talons

1028
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:31,709
and his face changed to like a wolf like

1029
00:45:37,759 --> 00:45:34,529
muzzle kinda like a German Shepherd now

1030
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:37,769
there's no evidence that anybody saw him

1031
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,380
changing like that those were the Roma's

1032
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,079
and that's what he claimed but if you

1033
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:45,599
read the story carefully it's clear that

1034
00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:48,619
he was the only one who ever

1035
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:51,029
definitively recognized the fact that he

1036
00:45:56,059 --> 00:45:53,729
was changing so everybody else kind of

1037
00:45:59,029 --> 00:45:56,069
you know saw him as this deranged

1038
00:46:02,229 --> 00:45:59,039
character roam in the woods so you know

1039
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:02,239
I think cases like this your multiple

1040
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:04,229
personalities you know where one

1041
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:06,209
personality is human and one is more

1042
00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:08,249
savage you know but I think that

1043
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,499
actually ties in in some way we've you

1044
00:46:14,019 --> 00:46:12,180
know people have multiple personalities

1045
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,029
today but for the most part they're

1046
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:16,920
human personalities but the idea that

1047
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,079
you could have multiple personalities

1048
00:46:23,509 --> 00:46:21,599
and one or more of them being a savage

1049
00:46:27,319 --> 00:46:23,519
creature you know I think he's not not

1050
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:27,329
an impossibility well I certainly wonder

1051
00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:30,150
how far afield this gets now we think in

1052
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:33,390
terms of shapeshifters well werewolves

1053
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:38,130
certainly then we think of birds of some

1054
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:42,150
sort but what range of creatures do we

1055
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:45,900
see in reports of shape-shifting talk

1056
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:48,150
about some sort of really weird ones

1057
00:46:52,579 --> 00:46:50,609
which really unless they're hoaxes and I

1058
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:52,589
don't believe they are you know the only

1059
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:54,299
pathway that can go down is the

1060
00:46:58,939 --> 00:46:56,249
paranormal pathway I mean I'll give you

1061
00:47:01,969 --> 00:46:58,949
an example which actually ties in with a

1062
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:01,979
reptilian angle which I don't dismiss

1063
00:47:06,739 --> 00:47:04,529
because the other forum was also

1064
00:47:09,799 --> 00:47:06,749
supernatural that she came for a woman I

1065
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:09,809
interviewed when I was at the 2016

1066
00:47:17,299 --> 00:47:13,319
Mothman festival in Point Pleasant

1067
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,309
you know people there people come up to

1068
00:47:22,759 --> 00:47:20,880
and share stories and a woman came up to

1069
00:47:24,529 --> 00:47:22,769
me this was on the second day of the

1070
00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:24,539
conference and said you know can I talk

1071
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:26,279
to you about something that happened to

1072
00:47:30,919 --> 00:47:28,529
me I said well yes sure and it was a

1073
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,929
case involving the black-eyed children

1074
00:47:36,469 --> 00:47:33,359
which you know have these sort of semi

1075
00:47:38,989 --> 00:47:36,479
MIB type overtones attached to them you

1076
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:38,999
know these pale face kids who knock on

1077
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,530
people's doors later

1078
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:43,260
try and find a way into the home etc etc

1079
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:45,530
you know and their kind of modus

1080
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,470
operandi so to speak is quite similar to

1081
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,760
the men in black and of course you know

1082
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,400
they wear black hoodies they look pale

1083
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:54,960
and they try and find a way which is all

1084
00:47:59,810 --> 00:47:57,690
characteristic of the man in black and

1085
00:48:02,570 --> 00:47:59,820
the women in black stories too and I

1086
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:02,580
expected that that was what the story is

1087
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:04,110
going to be you know because having

1088
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:06,150
written several books on the MIB I just

1089
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:08,390
assumed she wanted to share a story

1090
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:12,570
related you know to a semi connected

1091
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:14,850
angle namely the black-eyed children but

1092
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:16,890
the more she got into the story I

1093
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,540
realized that it was going in a

1094
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:20,750
different direction and she said that

1095
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:22,770
there was a knock on the door late at

1096
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:24,570
night and you know it sort of 10:00 or

1097
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:25,740
11:00 at night

1098
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:27,930
made a jump out of her skin use like who

1099
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:30,150
the hell's that so she went to the spy

1100
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,450
hole and as she looked through the spy

1101
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:35,520
all the front door she saw these two

1102
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:38,040
creepy kids dressed in black looking

1103
00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:40,710
really pale with their heads face down

1104
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,840
so that you know they couldn't actually

1105
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,460
couldn't actually see the faces properly

1106
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:48,000
but then they looked up as if they had

1107
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:51,120
responded to her presence and they

1108
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:52,890
thought she saw the solid black eyes

1109
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:55,740
which terrified her and from there she

1110
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,710
said suddenly they kind of like

1111
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:00,480
shimmered in a haze you know when you're

1112
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:02,580
driving them on the road and it's the

1113
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,110
roads red hot and you kind of get that

1114
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:06,540
shiver in effect it was like that and

1115
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:09,510
she said they literally transformed into

1116
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:12,060
like seven foot tall to 8-foot tall

1117
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:14,670
reptilian-type creatures and then

1118
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:17,160
vanished she was like plunged into a

1119
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:19,770
state of like complete hysteria she said

1120
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:22,980
and she was still traumatized by it you

1121
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,900
know long after she told me the story of

1122
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,940
course when the big ironies was that he

1123
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,740
actually happened in Point Pleasant you

1124
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:30,960
know Fugees homes or the Mothman you

1125
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:33,060
know another weird creature when we were

1126
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:35,190
sat there you know chatting about it she

1127
00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:37,230
didn't come across as anyone you know

1128
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:39,750
didn't come across crazy didn't ask for

1129
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:41,730
money or anything to tell the story

1130
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:44,430
she just genuinely was worried and

1131
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:47,130
wanted answers you know Corey Alper with

1132
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:49,350
any answers but I mean that's a classic

1133
00:49:54,019 --> 00:49:51,810
example of where I think it's more

1134
00:49:57,379 --> 00:49:54,029
feasible where you have a

1135
00:49:58,639 --> 00:49:57,389
that is already paranormally theme to

1136
00:50:02,499 --> 00:49:58,649
begin with name of the black-eyed

1137
00:50:05,059 --> 00:50:02,509
children and then takes on another

1138
00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:05,069
shape-shifting form you know when it

1139
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:07,139
begins as something that's non-human I

1140
00:50:12,469 --> 00:50:10,529
think that makes it more viable you know

1141
00:50:15,949 --> 00:50:12,479
in terms of having the ability to take

1142
00:50:17,659 --> 00:50:15,959
on multiple forms I mean I know you know

1143
00:50:20,269 --> 00:50:17,669
Chris will know this with his research

1144
00:50:22,699 --> 00:50:20,279
as well I mean the the skinwalker you

1145
00:50:24,879 --> 00:50:22,709
know can take on multiple forms and as

1146
00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:24,889
it you know the definitive kind of

1147
00:50:30,529 --> 00:50:28,469
paranormal aspects to it so I think you

1148
00:50:32,509 --> 00:50:30,539
know this this story I included it

1149
00:50:34,669 --> 00:50:32,519
because it was such a fascinating and

1150
00:50:36,499 --> 00:50:34,679
weird one an alternative the people just

1151
00:50:37,909 --> 00:50:36,509
probably wouldn't have heard of before

1152
00:50:40,489 --> 00:50:37,919
you know the idea of the black-eyed

1153
00:50:43,189 --> 00:50:40,499
children being shapeshifters which makes

1154
00:50:44,449 --> 00:50:43,199
me wonder what is their real form you

1155
00:50:48,739 --> 00:50:44,459
know have you ever seen them in their

1156
00:50:52,429 --> 00:50:48,749
real form know you mentioned skinwalkers

1157
00:50:55,369 --> 00:50:52,439
neck the were you able to come up with

1158
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,379
any new sets of information about them

1159
00:51:00,529 --> 00:50:57,599
there's really not that much out there

1160
00:51:01,189 --> 00:51:00,539
if you attempt to to research the

1161
00:51:03,649 --> 00:51:01,199
subject

1162
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:03,659
Danae cultures Navajo and Apache or

1163
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:06,029
quite superstitious and very

1164
00:51:13,969 --> 00:51:08,909
close-mouthed about about a lot of that

1165
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:13,979
information of the skinwalker issue you

1166
00:51:17,509 --> 00:51:16,349
know the phenomenon but yeah you're

1167
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:17,519
right I didn't really come up with

1168
00:51:20,749 --> 00:51:19,169
anything new on that particular aspect

1169
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:20,759
at all but I felt you know I had to

1170
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:24,569
include it Taman shapeshifters with Nick

1171
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:38,540
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1177
00:52:00,849 --> 00:51:58,579
intelligence officer is haunted by

1178
00:52:03,489 --> 00:52:00,859
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1179
00:52:06,249 --> 00:52:03,499
pleading for his help after a terrible

1180
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:06,259
battle in outer space but the dreams

1181
00:52:10,359 --> 00:52:08,390
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1182
00:52:13,059 --> 00:52:10,369
a telepathic love affair with a woman

1183
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:13,069
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1221
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:04,280
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1222
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,560
here's Jane Steinberg we've got Nick

1223
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:15,440
Redfern the book is about shapeshifters

1224
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:18,630
with gene and Chris looking over all the

1225
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:21,050
possibilities now obviously

1226
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:23,310
shape-shifting is just used everywhere

1227
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:24,930
in comic books it's used there's a

1228
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,450
character called Martian Manhunter that

1229
00:54:32,590 --> 00:54:29,460
can assume any shape theme have a

1230
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,600
version Vallon TV so everywhere you look

1231
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:36,000
shape-shifting is fairly common but it

1232
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:38,670
creates the ultimate paranoia - which is

1233
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:42,090
if someone or something can change shape

1234
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:44,430
you may be talking to somebody you know

1235
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:47,700
but that person is really who knows what

1236
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:50,370
well I mean I've got a few stories like

1237
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:52,110
that where you know people have said

1238
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:53,730
they were talking to someone and they

1239
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:56,670
kind of shimmered and change slightly

1240
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:59,700
not sort of you know massively but to

1241
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:02,040
the point where I've got one case for

1242
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,530
example which isn't in the book but it's

1243
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,780
one case that was given to me literally

1244
00:55:12,260 --> 00:55:08,640
in a week and when the book came out and

1245
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:12,270
the witness said she saw this or talking

1246
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,610
to this guy and it was she was actually

1247
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:18,000
sat in Central Park and he came and sat

1248
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:20,370
next to her and gotten got her engaged

1249
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,950
in the conversation it seems to be like

1250
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:25,200
a casual conversation about UFOs which

1251
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:27,450
she had a deep interest in they got

1252
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:28,890
talking and you know she was a little

1253
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,280
bit excited and intrigued but also kind

1254
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:34,800
of concerned by the fact that of all

1255
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:36,450
people possible you know he come and sat

1256
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:38,370
by her and then started a conversation

1257
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:40,650
about UFOs and she said he looked

1258
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:43,950
completely normal but then suddenly she

1259
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:45,570
described almost as like a dizzy spell

1260
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:47,970
as it's like he kind of shook but like

1261
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:50,430
impossibly fast you know he shook your

1262
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:52,740
hand really fast and it blurred it was

1263
00:55:57,590 --> 00:55:54,570
like that for about two or three seconds

1264
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:57,600
and she said he looked the same but he

1265
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:00,690
looked a lot thinner and his face was

1266
00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:02,790
sort of pale and his hair had gone from

1267
00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:04,830
being sort of normal to looking like

1268
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,150
really greasy

1269
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:09,150
an oily and dirty she said that he had

1270
00:56:15,859 --> 00:56:11,730
like almost like a shop look on his face

1271
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:15,869
as he he realized that she realized that

1272
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:18,930
he just kind of morphed a little bit and

1273
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:21,480
she got up and left she was like in

1274
00:56:28,249 --> 00:56:25,680
shock so you know cases like that where

1275
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,259
you have someone who seems to you know

1276
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:30,480
sort of change could not change you you

1277
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,450
know to the extent in the traditional

1278
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:35,160
folklore but it is excu like and a

1279
00:56:38,059 --> 00:56:36,839
shape-shifting you know it's a shame I

1280
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,069
didn't have that one in time for the

1281
00:56:42,769 --> 00:56:40,079
book cause it was like a really kind of

1282
00:56:44,989 --> 00:56:42,779
creepy story in them I can take my magic

1283
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:44,999
ring and say Shazam and become someone

1284
00:56:50,359 --> 00:56:48,720
else you see shape-shifting is common in

1285
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:50,369
the comic books you know I want to ask

1286
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,569
you here what is the most unusual

1287
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,720
creature said to be a shape-shifter oh

1288
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,940
well I mean the one that perhaps a lot

1289
00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:58,619
of people don't think of which is a

1290
00:57:03,769 --> 00:57:00,420
phenomenon that I've got probably

1291
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:03,779
fifteen or sixteen stories related to is

1292
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:05,970
in relation to Bigfoot of all things

1293
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:09,720
now most cryptozoologists take the view

1294
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,079
that the Bigfoot creatures are the

1295
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:16,319
unknown or unclassified equivalents of

1296
00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:19,079
something like a North African gorilla

1297
00:57:23,029 --> 00:57:20,849
or whatever you know they're just

1298
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:23,039
sometimes a vague that we haven't found

1299
00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:25,470
yet and classified etcetera etcetera

1300
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,039
but if you look at Bigfoot history you

1301
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:31,619
do find a lot of really weird cases

1302
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:33,930
where people claim that they've seen

1303
00:57:38,769 --> 00:57:36,359
Bigfoot vanishing a flash of light or

1304
00:57:40,819 --> 00:57:38,779
it's kind of like just melted away

1305
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:40,829
people claim that these things are

1306
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,900
impervious to bullets that's you know

1307
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,599
there is one here one second on the next

1308
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,400
second angle to them but there's also

1309
00:57:52,579 --> 00:57:49,680
this shapeshifter angle now I'll give

1310
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:52,589
you one example of how this kind of

1311
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:55,049
works and I live just outside the city

1312
00:57:59,720 --> 00:57:57,690
of Dallas now if I Drive like four or

1313
00:58:02,239 --> 00:57:59,730
five hours maybe a little bit more sort

1314
00:58:05,269 --> 00:58:02,249
of so you reach the city of Houston well

1315
00:58:07,249 --> 00:58:05,279
east of Houston about 40 miles you've

1316
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:07,259
got a massive area of forest land called

1317
00:58:11,509 --> 00:58:08,819
the Big Thicket you know everybody

1318
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,519
thinks of Texas he's like desert then

1319
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,680
cactus it's not you know you get outside

1320
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:15,359
Dallas and you're heading towards

1321
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:18,470
Louisiana the forest

1322
00:58:22,839 --> 00:58:21,470
a gigantic you know it's different trees

1323
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:22,849
obviously to what you're getting the

1324
00:58:26,829 --> 00:58:24,470
Pacific Northwest but still you know

1325
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,839
gigantic forest land crossing with

1326
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:29,359
marshland and swampy land as well now

1327
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:31,220
the Big Thicket has a road that runs

1328
00:58:36,579 --> 00:58:34,010
through it called Bragg Road but the

1329
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:36,589
locals either refer to it as ghost Road

1330
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,380
or ghost light Road depending on who you

1331
00:58:44,050 --> 00:58:41,200
ask and they call it that because

1332
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:44,060
throughout the last few centuries people

1333
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:45,890
have lived in that area including the

1334
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:48,290
original settlers reported seeing these

1335
00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:50,690
strange balls of light flitting through

1336
00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:53,140
the Big Thicket and also particularly

1337
00:58:58,059 --> 00:58:55,940
along this stretch known as Bragg Road

1338
00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:58,069
and people said you know they've seen of

1339
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:00,710
any size from like a tennis ball to like

1340
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:02,810
a beach ball but there are a few cases

1341
00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:05,510
on record from people in that area who

1342
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:07,880
said that they saw one of these balls of

1343
00:59:13,809 --> 00:59:11,030
light morphine's are like a 7 to 8 foot

1344
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:13,819
tall Bigfoot and also vice versa and

1345
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:16,190
there are a few cases like that that I

1346
00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:18,290
also talked about in the book where

1347
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:21,140
balls of lights transform into other

1348
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,210
creatures where one where it Creek

1349
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:25,040
turned into like this sort of writhing

1350
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:28,220
wriggly worm tire creature that the

1351
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:30,170
Bigfoot ones is kind of the most

1352
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:31,609
controversial because you've got

1353
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:33,260
something besides it like a ball of

1354
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:35,690
light which appears to be some kind of

1355
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,730
intelligent energy because they

1356
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,440
certainly react to the presence of

1357
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:42,079
people sometimes moving closer sometimes

1358
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,450
moving away as you approach them so that

1359
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,880
the scenes being intelligence there but

1360
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:49,520
the idea of you know a ball of energy an

1361
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:51,290
intelligent ball of energy the size of a

1362
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:51,920
tennis ball

1363
00:59:56,980 --> 00:59:54,710
suddenly morphing into an 8 foot tall

1364
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,990
bigfoot-type creature you know that's

1365
01:00:02,079 --> 00:59:59,119
kind of beyond our physics and reality

1366
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,089
to even comprehend it but the important

1367
01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:04,480
thing is there are more than a few

1368
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:08,660
independence cases that absolutely are

1369
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:11,810
almost identical in nature and

1370
01:00:18,430 --> 01:00:14,510
appearance in these kinds of stories

1371
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:18,440
Nick as you probably found out are more

1372
01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:20,230
common than than you would actually

1373
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:25,420
suspect in the southwest in particular

1374
01:00:31,470 --> 01:00:29,420
I've run into a number of accounts of

1375
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:31,480
people claiming

1376
01:00:40,570 --> 01:00:36,610
humans witches in their description a

1377
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:40,580
sort of transforming or mutating into

1378
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:43,850
balls of energy and vice versa there is

1379
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,310
a tradition you know in southern

1380
01:00:53,410 --> 01:00:49,520
Colorado northern New Mexico among the

1381
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:53,420
Hispanic population of which is when

1382
01:00:59,260 --> 01:00:57,230
they're in a hurry being able to turn

1383
01:01:02,650 --> 01:00:59,270
into balls of light so that they can zip

1384
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,660
from where they are to a destination

1385
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:04,640
where they have to get get there quickly

1386
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:07,430
and you know these stories you know you

1387
01:01:12,730 --> 01:01:10,520
try to obviously research them and try

1388
01:01:16,570 --> 01:01:12,740
to come up with a I don't know some sort

1389
01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:16,580
of historical try to track them down you

1390
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:18,470
know where where do these traditions

1391
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:21,920
begin how long have they been around is

1392
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:24,920
there any you know how many kinds of

1393
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:27,230
variations do you have and they they

1394
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:29,930
generally do tend them to be fairly

1395
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:33,640
consistent in terms of of the details

1396
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:36,940
you know when people explaining you know

1397
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:39,890
often asked you know where did you first

1398
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:41,930
hear about this and of course oftentimes

1399
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:44,630
it's a grandparent that would mention

1400
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:47,480
this initially but did you find that

1401
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:51,050
that there is a there appears to be kind

1402
01:01:58,270 --> 01:01:53,650
of a traditional set of knowledge that

1403
01:02:03,220 --> 01:01:58,280
that tends to be quite similar from from

1404
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:03,230
region to region or from type 2 type you

1405
01:02:06,910 --> 01:02:05,000
know with with these balls of light I

1406
01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:06,920
mean you can find stories like this

1407
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:09,500
everywhere for example I mean fairies

1408
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:11,950
with no teeth you know for being

1409
01:02:17,470 --> 01:02:15,050
shapeshifters I'm not talking like sort

1410
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:17,480
of traditional Christmas card image that

1411
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:19,010
people have today if there is you know

1412
01:02:23,950 --> 01:02:20,450
you got about five hundred years that

1413
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:23,960
are quite sinister dwarfish wise and old

1414
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:25,730
creepy looking characters that would

1415
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:28,370
sort of live in you know underground or

1416
01:02:33,550 --> 01:02:31,040
under mounds and things like that and of

1417
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:33,560
course you know not only were fairy said

1418
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:35,540
to be shapeshifters but you've got

1419
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:37,070
people off to see this these so-called

1420
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:39,230
fairy lights around them and things like

1421
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:41,570
that another example which is another

1422
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:44,090
creepy one is a contraband blending

1423
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:44,880
relations

1424
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,940
a crop circle friend of mine Matthew

1425
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,400
Williams was in a crop circle back in

1426
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:52,980
the 1990s and saw these three balls of

1427
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:55,140
light small balls of light approached

1428
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:57,240
the crop circle in a triangular

1429
01:03:00,799 --> 01:02:58,890
formation and we get a lot of these

1430
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:00,809
balls of light seen in relation to crop

1431
01:03:04,999 --> 01:03:02,940
circles in England because so the dead

1432
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,009
of night you know no illumination other

1433
01:03:10,009 --> 01:03:07,920
than these three lights which hovered

1434
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,019
over the crop circle then dropped to the

1435
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:12,299
ground and then within seconds

1436
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:14,490
Matthew heard like this rustling as if

1437
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:16,650
the corn was being sort of torn up and

1438
01:03:22,009 --> 01:03:19,680
twisted and moved he was with a friend

1439
01:03:24,609 --> 01:03:22,019
and they suddenly heard this sort of

1440
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:24,619
deep sort of dangerous sounding growl

1441
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,529
almost as if the ball of light descended

1442
01:03:33,019 --> 01:03:30,559
into the field and then transformed into

1443
01:03:34,509 --> 01:03:33,029
some sort of creature which they

1444
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,519
couldn't see but they just you know

1445
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,440
flare at high speed more to Thomas Nick

1446
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:40,079
Redfern and Jena and Christiane taubira

1447
01:03:51,329 --> 01:03:49,589
attack of the rock ODEs has been

1448
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well-received by critics and readers

1449
01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:53,289
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1450
01:03:58,469 --> 01:03:56,140
you'll never forget a former US military

1451
01:04:00,719 --> 01:03:58,479
intelligence officer is haunted by

1452
01:04:03,269 --> 01:04:00,729
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1453
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:03,279
pleading for his help after a terrible

1454
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:06,130
battle in outer space but the dreams

1455
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:08,170
turned out to be true and thrust him

1456
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,849
into a telepathic love affair with a

1457
01:04:15,269 --> 01:04:12,880
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

1458
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:15,279
destroying the earth and now the

1459
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,130
gripping tale continues in the coming of

1460
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:20,559
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1461
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1462
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1463
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1464
01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:30,249
threaten the lives of freedom loving

1465
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1466
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1467
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1469
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1472
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1473
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Bochum @xr or other inhibitors for type

1474
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1475
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1476
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1477
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1478
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comment or invoke emetics R and other

1480
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1481
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1482
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1483
01:05:16,469 --> 01:05:14,319
has taken invokana

1484
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1485
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1486
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1487
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:22,390
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1488
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1489
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1490
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1496
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1497
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1499
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1509
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1510
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,349
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1511
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I have problem sleeping pillows would go

1512
01:06:28,580 --> 01:06:26,880
flat I would flip-flop all night long I

1513
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:28,590
would wake up with a sore neck maybe a

1514
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:30,180
headache or feel like I needed a nap

1515
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:31,859
even though I slept eight hours when I

1516
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:33,750
invented my pillow I wanted it to where

1517
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:35,670
you can move the patented fill to give

1518
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:37,650
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1519
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:39,780
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1520
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1521
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1522
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longer it's not about how much time we

1523
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:47,099
spend in bed it's about how much of that

1524
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quality sleep we get I do all of my own

1525
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1526
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States I have a 10 year warranty you can

1527
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wash and dry my pillow and I give you a

1528
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1529
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1530
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1531
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1532
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1533
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1534
01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:12,750
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1535
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1536
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1537
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a fire now

1538
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but what if the wood is wet no problem

1539
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for in stuff i our non-toxic fire

1540
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starter packs light sweat wood floats

1541
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and can even burn on water or in any

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1543
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per hour and each pouch weighs only 1.75

1544
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ounces need an emergency or camp stove

1545
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get the insta fire inferno stove that

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1553
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1554
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1555
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1556
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1557
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1558
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:12,690
ask.com I just think Chris is about to

1559
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:15,990
turn anytime now I have no idea what

1560
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:17,880
he'll become Nick Redfern please

1561
01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:22,710
continue the story he was in the field

1562
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:24,720
with a friend they just you know fled

1563
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:26,850
the area high-speed not sure what this

1564
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:29,370
was one of the interesting things is

1565
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,770
I've probably got four or five cases and

1566
01:08:35,599 --> 01:08:33,839
I know a guy named Marcus Matthews who

1567
01:08:38,900 --> 01:08:35,609
wrote a book called big cats in Britain

1568
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:38,910
has reports to papal claims have seen

1569
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:41,310
the so called alien big cats in crop

1570
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:43,500
circles you know these out of place

1571
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:46,500
mysterious large black cats the people

1572
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:50,100
reports all across the UK every year and

1573
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,290
we never catch them and people have seen

1574
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:54,960
them in crop circles so I do wonder

1575
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,180
granted any speculation in Italy I do

1576
01:09:01,670 --> 01:08:59,460
wonder if these balls of light they hit

1577
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:01,680
the field that Matthew was in and then

1578
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:03,690
there was this sudden growl even though

1579
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:05,130
they couldn't see anything you know is

1580
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:06,930
it possible that the lights had

1581
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:09,270
transformed into these you know these

1582
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:12,030
black cats that paper legitimately seen

1583
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:14,160
in crop circles and the other one that I

1584
01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:15,480
talked about in the book which is very

1585
01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:18,990
similar relates to the contactee

1586
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:21,299
movement not one of these sort of the

1587
01:09:26,750 --> 01:09:24,690
the most famous contactees of the 1950s

1588
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:26,760
but a guy who was sort of in the second

1589
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:29,819
wave so to speak Bangor Theo Angelo Chee

1590
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:32,460
he claimed that in the early fifties he

1591
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,089
had the these UFO sightings and then

1592
01:09:41,150 --> 01:09:39,359
encounters with the entities on the UFOs

1593
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:41,160
at the classic space brothers when it

1594
01:09:45,559 --> 01:09:43,020
all began and he claimed that his

1595
01:09:49,190 --> 01:09:45,569
experiences all for the most part

1596
01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:49,200
occurred near an old bridge in Los

1597
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:52,470
Angeles and that he would feel compelled

1598
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,600
to go out to this old bridge you know go

1599
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:56,640
under the lower part of it and just wait

1600
01:10:00,420 --> 01:09:58,360
in the darkness

1601
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:00,430
in his book he actually wrote several

1602
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:02,290
books but in one of his books I think

1603
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:04,930
it's the the Sun of the Sun it talks

1604
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:08,050
about how he would wait for the space

1605
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:10,150
rubbers to turn up when they arrived

1606
01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:12,670
they would not arriving like a gleaming

1607
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:15,550
flying saucer out of the sky he would

1608
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:17,530
see these little balls of light come

1609
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:20,050
towards him they would sort of speak to

1610
01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:21,820
him in his mind and then the balls of

1611
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:24,550
light would transform into like the

1612
01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:26,260
classic space brother you know with the

1613
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:29,260
long blonde hair and the tight-fitting

1614
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:32,320
flight so kind of thing and looking very

1615
01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:35,260
human-like but also slightly not quite

1616
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:35,860
human

1617
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:38,490
and all Angelo Chi you know spoke quite

1618
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,350
extensively as to how they would sort of

1619
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,400
change form from something that was

1620
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:46,960
physical and looked to be flesh and

1621
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,690
blood into a ball of light and then they

1622
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,480
would exit by turning again into a ball

1623
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:54,400
of light and then shooting away into the

1624
01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:56,590
sky you know people might say well this

1625
01:11:00,150 --> 01:10:58,240
is just told me outlandish and

1626
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:00,160
impossible but the important thing is

1627
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:02,650
you know you've got different countries

1628
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:05,410
and cultures you got Los Angeles with

1629
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:07,150
the Orfeo Angelo G you've got the Big

1630
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:10,210
Thicket in Texas you got crop circles in

1631
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,810
England all tied to balls of light

1632
01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:15,520
taking on different forms and I think

1633
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:17,020
that's an important thing when you know

1634
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,110
the scope and scale of this particular

1635
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:22,480
aspect of shape-shifted okay this is

1636
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:24,850
what I wonder about here whether UFOs

1637
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:26,590
themselves are examples of

1638
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:28,300
shape-shifting that you're talking about

1639
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:30,670
there what we see is a flying craft

1640
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:33,250
that's not what it really is it's for

1641
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:36,130
our benefit or the best we can detect

1642
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:38,410
based on the limits of our senses and

1643
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,030
the same thing would be true about the

1644
01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:42,880
entities and that even goes back to the

1645
01:11:47,310 --> 01:11:44,860
movie contact where the Jodie Foster

1646
01:11:49,050 --> 01:11:47,320
character meets what might be et and he

1647
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:49,060
says I'm coming to you in the form of

1648
01:11:55,620 --> 01:11:51,130
your father so you can accept my

1649
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:55,630
appearance because a for why because if

1650
01:12:00,750 --> 01:11:58,330
you look at most of the UFO reports on

1651
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,760
record and certainly the vast majority

1652
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:03,040
of the photographs yes there are a lot

1653
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:05,350
of pictures photos of UFOs that look

1654
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:07,630
similar but there's always something

1655
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:09,400
that's a bit different and the idea that

1656
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:11,580
every UFO the visits us

1657
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:13,310
should look different to me he's just

1658
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:15,180
impossible if they're not some balls

1659
01:12:19,190 --> 01:12:16,890
craft you know they would be out of a

1660
01:12:20,690 --> 01:12:19,200
mold or whatever so I think you know the

1661
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:20,700
idea that we are dealing with

1662
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:23,100
shape-shifting crafts and entities it's

1663
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:24,780
quite viable because if you look if you

1664
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:27,420
go back to the early days of ufology or

1665
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:30,630
way before that you know the 1800s we

1666
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:33,690
had the phantom airships in the 40s

1667
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,570
during the wars the Foo Fighters 46 the

1668
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,600
ghosts Rockets 47 on was flying saucers

1669
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:41,520
eighties onwards it was the flying

1670
01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:44,370
triangles to begin with in ufology that

1671
01:12:48,140 --> 01:12:45,540
weren't really much in the way of

1672
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:48,150
entities that in the 50s of a space

1673
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:50,340
brothers then you had the creatures the

1674
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:51,900
Betty and Barney Hill saw which weren't

1675
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:53,790
grey is despite what some people have

1676
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:55,590
said you know there are more human-like

1677
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,900
then you had the greys then the other

1678
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:00,480
reptilians the man in black black-eyed

1679
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:02,040
children all of which is somehow

1680
01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:04,380
connected you know you can make a good

1681
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:07,830
case that the phenomenon is constantly

1682
01:13:12,710 --> 01:13:10,260
with us but it's constantly also

1683
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,720
changing its appearance so you know you

1684
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:14,400
could make a good case that the entire

1685
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:16,890
youth illogical scene is sort of being

1686
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:19,770
kicked by shapeshifters well certainly

1687
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:23,100
with UFO abductions that would be a

1688
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:25,830
singular example I think of something of

1689
01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:28,590
that nature yeah I think one of the

1690
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:30,350
important things is that many abduction

1691
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,780
cases seem to occur when the persons in

1692
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an altered state then being susceptible

1693
01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:39,200
to different realities and possibly even

1694
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:41,700
you know that the shifting may actually

1695
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:43,800
even be in their minds even yeah that

1696
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:45,990
could add an entirely new angle to where

1697
01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:49,560
the reality itself is kind of shifted

1698
01:13:54,230 --> 01:13:52,680
for the benefits of the person so so

1699
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:54,240
shape-shifting can mean a lot of

1700
01:13:58,250 --> 01:13:56,850
different things to a lot of people and

1701
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:58,260
you know it's a term that people

1702
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:00,060
associate with werewolves but you can

1703
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:01,650
actually apply it to so many different

1704
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,500
ways of supernaturally changing so to

1705
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:06,960
speak I'll give you another example of

1706
01:14:11,690 --> 01:14:08,940
which is like really high on the creepy

1707
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:11,700
levels is that you know and I talked

1708
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:12,930
about this because it's kind of

1709
01:14:18,230 --> 01:14:14,970
connected to shape-shifting but not

1710
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:18,240
where the creature literally shape-shift

1711
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:20,850
into a personal vice versa but where it

1712
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mimics a person and I'll explain what I

1713
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:25,260
mean by that I've got a

1714
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,260
lot of cases on record of creatures like

1715
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Bigfoot and elsewhere in the world in

1716
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:33,180
relation to the our own pen deck in

1717
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Sumatra the Yowie in Australia where

1718
01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:38,610
people have been out in the woods and

1719
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,740
they kind of get a weird vibe and then

1720
01:14:45,650 --> 01:14:43,080
suddenly they here look like a lot of

1721
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:45,660
distressing cries of a baby like a human

1722
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:48,600
baby and obviously now they're like oh

1723
01:14:50,780 --> 01:14:49,080
my god

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you know somebody's dumped a baby in the

1725
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woods or whatever so they go looking and

1726
01:14:56,060 --> 01:14:54,480
they get deeper and deeper into the

1727
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:56,070
woods and they can still hear this baby

1728
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,050
crying but it's always a little bit

1729
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,300
further away from them and then suddenly

1730
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:02,820
they hear this sort of guttural growling

1731
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:05,370
and see this shadowy form looming to

1732
01:15:11,690 --> 01:15:08,340
view as if these bigfoot-type creatures

1733
01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:11,700
can literally mimic babies you know it's

1734
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:14,270
not a physical transformation but it's

1735
01:15:20,420 --> 01:15:17,970
in one sense it is a transformation or

1736
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:20,430
perceived you know transformation but

1737
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,650
you're mimicking as a means to draw

1738
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:25,320
people into the woods and I've got some

1739
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,270
really like I said really creepy stories

1740
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:29,880
like that where people felt something

1741
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:32,490
was was drawing them and pulling them

1742
01:15:37,940 --> 01:15:34,950
into the woods and doing so under the

1743
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:37,950
sort of the camouflage other the cries

1744
01:15:41,710 --> 01:15:40,050
of a baby and you know who knows what

1745
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:41,720
would have happened to them if they

1746
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continued looking and continued going

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further and further into the woods you

1748
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know was it a way to lure them in and

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kill them and with a worst case scenario

1750
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:52,140
you know you become dinner or whatever

1751
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but I talked about one case in the book

1752
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:58,950
one of many not too far from where I

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actually live where the town of Ennis

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has a tradition of a bigfoot-type

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creature that was seen and he's still

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seen now and old by an old bridge in the

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area and there's a cemetery very nearby

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called Cryer Creek Cemetery and the

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legend is that's a woman lost a child

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there and every so often you'll hear the

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child crying but it's intriguing that

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you have a Bigfoot story attached to the

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seven seven eight nine eight hundred

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01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:42,429
five three five seven seven eight nine

1871
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:44,710
that's eight hundred five thirty five

1872
01:21:02,490 --> 01:20:59,130
this is actually you're listening to the

1873
01:21:17,010 --> 01:21:02,500
podcast the gold standard of Carnival

1874
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:17,020
radio okay so the cemetery the Bigfoot

1875
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:19,300
it's like putting all the ingredients

1876
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:21,610
together Nick to come up with the most

1877
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:26,830
incredible possibilities you know over

1878
01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:29,380
the years the Bigfoot uses human

1879
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,630
sometimes as a food source well what

1880
01:21:36,510 --> 01:21:33,760
better way to do that than to try and

1881
01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:36,520
mimic and successfully mimic a human

1882
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:38,260
baby which you know most people would

1883
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:40,990
naturally try and go and help it and

1884
01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:42,940
look for it but you just find yourself

1885
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:44,470
getting more and more pulled into the

1886
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:46,510
woods and lost and then before you know

1887
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:48,550
it you know you're on the spit or

1888
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:52,150
whatever well everywhere they focus on

1889
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:54,310
stuff like that it's one of the singular

1890
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:58,420
obsessions in sci-fi in fantasy and

1891
01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:02,080
horror and somebody is not the person do

1892
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:08,680
you think they are you often find in

1893
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:10,260
fact almost always that when you have

1894
01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:14,110
folklore myths legends anecdotes there's

1895
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:16,270
usually some degree of reality that

1896
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,910
kick-started the mystery in the first

1897
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:20,800
place or the legend in the first place

1898
01:22:25,290 --> 01:22:23,170
you know I think that part of us too due

1899
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:25,300
to human nature but it's also partly due

1900
01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:26,950
to the fact that we're talking about

1901
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,070
real phenomena I mean you know when I

1902
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:31,600
was talking about the black-eyed kids

1903
01:22:37,170 --> 01:22:34,660
this the reptilian angle and the woman

1904
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:37,180
from Point Pleasant well you know we're

1905
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:39,460
Mothman employed pleasant now when the

1906
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:41,400
sightings were at their height sort of

1907
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:44,170
66-67 you know we're coming up to 50

1908
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:46,180
years since the bridge collapse in in

1909
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:48,070
Point Pleasant with not being fifty

1910
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:51,790
years in December what's interesting is

1911
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:54,910
that not everybody described Mothman in

1912
01:23:00,210 --> 01:22:57,370
the same way some described it as a

1913
01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:00,220
definitive flying humanoid are those

1914
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:03,400
described as like a gigantic bird others

1915
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:05,290
suggested it was more like almost like a

1916
01:23:09,689 --> 01:23:07,170
pterodactyl type creature

1917
01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:09,699
granted it would be difficult to sort of

1918
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:11,830
see these things late at night but I

1919
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:13,660
mean you know we had daylight sightings

1920
01:23:18,090 --> 01:23:16,090
and in some cases people said you just

1921
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:18,100
looked like a gigantic bird almost like

1922
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:20,440
the other Thunderbird of Native American

1923
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:22,570
legend but other people said no it

1924
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,590
didn't look like a bird it was

1925
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:26,080
absolutely a flying humanoid with wings

1926
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:26,920
on his back

1927
01:23:31,470 --> 01:23:29,110
so either people were elucidating

1928
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:31,480
getting it wrong or I said point out in

1929
01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:33,910
the book maybe even lost man you know as

1930
01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:34,870
a shapeshifter

1931
01:23:39,630 --> 01:23:37,390
granted it was always you know flying

1932
01:23:41,820 --> 01:23:39,640
shapeshifter but when you have people

1933
01:23:43,890 --> 01:23:41,830
plaintiff seeing this thing close up and

1934
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:43,900
some was sure it was a bird like I was

1935
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:46,060
was sure it was human-like but more like

1936
01:23:51,330 --> 01:23:48,160
a gargoyle either that they were

1937
01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:51,340
massively wrong or there's a there's a

1938
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:54,280
bigger picture going on then let me ask

1939
01:24:00,000 --> 01:23:56,860
you a very very direct question before

1940
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:00,010
we go out worse stories do you think any

1941
01:24:07,950 --> 01:24:03,550
of these cases is real or are most them

1942
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:07,960
just people seeing things well you know

1943
01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:09,820
Chris has experienced this as well when

1944
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,620
you interview people over the course of

1945
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:14,320
not just days weeks months years but

1946
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,230
decades you do become a good judge of

1947
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,600
character and you know what to look for

1948
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:21,760
you know I mean everybody at some point

1949
01:24:26,459 --> 01:24:24,370
whether it's in ufology cryptozoology

1950
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,469
ghost hunting or whatever you're always

1951
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:28,960
gonna find someone who fakes a story and

1952
01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:32,050
who once they're a bit of 15 minutes of

1953
01:24:36,660 --> 01:24:34,300
fame and you know endless dollars or

1954
01:24:38,130 --> 01:24:36,670
whatever that always happens and I'm

1955
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:38,140
sure there's no one who hasn't come

1956
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:40,810
across at least one hoax event but in

1957
01:24:45,689 --> 01:24:43,690
saying that I never really got honestly

1958
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:45,699
didn't get any kind of vibe from the

1959
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:47,110
people I interviewed for this particular

1960
01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:52,050
book who I felt were crazy or lying or

1961
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:54,940
fantasy prone they just seemed genuinely

1962
01:24:59,820 --> 01:24:56,370
either puzzled

1963
01:25:01,800 --> 01:24:59,830
excited of deeply worried by what

1964
01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:01,810
they've seen and we're just looking for

1965
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:04,540
answers and I think but I think spanners

1966
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,010
when you say you know is it just people

1967
01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:09,520
seeing things in fairness I think even I

1968
01:25:14,459 --> 01:25:11,680
understand why people might think that

1969
01:25:17,939 --> 01:25:14,469
because the angle of shape-shifting is

1970
01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:17,949
so bizarre and unlikely and it's so

1971
01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:20,460
inextricably tied to like the world of

1972
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:22,620
Hollywood and ancient tales of

1973
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:24,690
werewolves that people ignore it or

1974
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:26,640
think all this can't be but they can

1975
01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:29,010
accept you know the idea of aliens

1976
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:30,510
crashing at Roswell or whatever so I

1977
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:33,120
understand it it's because the weirder

1978
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:36,030
it is the less likely people are to

1979
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:38,070
believe it but as I said when you find

1980
01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:41,219
these intriguing little strands that

1981
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,350
parallel another case like I said the

1982
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:44,880
mimicking of the babies which you can

1983
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:47,250
find all around the world the balls of

1984
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,810
light transforming into different

1985
01:25:52,820 --> 01:25:50,640
creatures you know you see these

1986
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:52,830
patterns and it's when you see the

1987
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:55,050
patterns then you realize there's a

1988
01:25:59,240 --> 01:25:55,850
pattern

1989
01:26:03,770 --> 01:25:59,250
yeah I agree Nick and I also have a

1990
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:03,780
suspicion that because this type of

1991
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:06,570
report is you know getting up into the

1992
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:08,640
realm of you know some of the most

1993
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:13,380
unbelievable types of accounts you would

1994
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:16,350
almost kind of suspect that perhaps

1995
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:19,890
there's a lot more experiences people

1996
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:21,719
having experiences out there a lot more

1997
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:24,600
than are being reported simply because

1998
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:26,820
you know they're so fantastic that

1999
01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:28,890
people you know would I think be more

2000
01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:31,830
hesitant to to come forward and and in

2001
01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:35,700
report you know events like this so you

2002
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,980
know we may be seen actually tip of the

2003
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:39,600
iceberg and there may be many more

2004
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:41,730
reports and are actually being being the

2005
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:44,130
files well that's a good point

2006
01:26:48,979 --> 01:26:46,020
I'll give you sort of a bit of an

2007
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:48,989
analogy to that you haven't done several

2008
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:50,760
books on the men in black I get a lot of

2009
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:53,070
reports all the time many black stories

2010
01:26:57,410 --> 01:26:56,100
but more than a few people have said you

2011
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:57,420
know I'm paraphrasing here but it's

2012
01:27:01,479 --> 01:26:59,250
basically the same phrase they've said

2013
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:01,489
oh I didn't want to report it because

2014
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:03,420
everybody you know thinks of the

2015
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:04,890
Hollywood movies and they think I'm just

2016
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,930
however imagine watching one of these

2017
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:09,120
movies and so they wouldn't talk about

2018
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:12,450
it because there was this sort of fear

2019
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:14,760
that you know they'll be label cranks or

2020
01:27:19,130 --> 01:27:17,130
crazy because you know they watch too

2021
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:19,140
many movies and I think it's kind of a

2022
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,090
similar thing here people don't talk

2023
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:23,400
about it not because of the movie angle

2024
01:27:29,780 --> 01:27:27,210
but because it is way out and I think

2025
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:29,790
anything that's you know anything that's

2026
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:33,050
paranormal is bizarre and strange

2027
01:27:37,419 --> 01:27:34,730
there is you know a case where you can

2028
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,429
make an argument tipping the scales it's

2029
01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:39,199
a really weird domains like

2030
01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:43,400
shape-shifting I understand why people

2031
01:27:48,819 --> 01:27:46,040
wouldn't come forward you know I'm not

2032
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:48,829
sure I would come forward if I said you

2033
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:50,150
know I've seen a werewolf

2034
01:27:54,129 --> 01:27:52,130
and then the werewolf changing to a ball

2035
01:27:55,899 --> 01:27:54,139
of light you know people say you know

2036
01:28:00,910 --> 01:27:55,909
what's what's Nick being smoking or

2037
01:28:03,700 --> 01:28:00,920
injecting you even I might say nothing

2038
01:28:07,660 --> 01:28:03,710
so I think I think the weird of the case

2039
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,670
that yeh it's sometimes it's a benefit

2040
01:28:13,149 --> 01:28:09,920
if people come forward but I understand

2041
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:13,159
the impulse not to speak about it as

2042
01:28:20,020 --> 01:28:15,710
well the one I think as I mentioned

2043
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,030
before the the subculture in the area

2044
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:22,400
where I was investigating in the 90s

2045
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:25,250
there in you know Southern Colorado and

2046
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:29,170
in northern New Mexico the whole idea of

2047
01:28:34,930 --> 01:28:32,480
shape-shifting I think is a little bit

2048
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:34,940
more it's more plausible I think

2049
01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:36,650
generally in people's minds there

2050
01:28:42,939 --> 01:28:39,340
especially in the Hispanic population

2051
01:28:46,209 --> 01:28:42,949
because there is a tradition of brujos

2052
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:46,219
and brujas being able to actually do

2053
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:49,610
that to to change into other forms so I

2054
01:28:55,839 --> 01:28:52,690
think that that perhaps in an area like

2055
01:29:01,450 --> 01:28:55,849
you know the geology geographically

2056
01:29:03,370 --> 01:29:01,460
rather you may have possibly more less

2057
01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:03,380
reluctance to come forward and actually

2058
01:29:09,129 --> 01:29:06,860
more reports then let's say where you

2059
01:29:11,589 --> 01:29:09,139
are or you know in in any other part of

2060
01:29:13,379 --> 01:29:11,599
the country basically so you know I

2061
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,389
think some of it does have to do with

2062
01:29:17,950 --> 01:29:16,159
with how these types of phenomenal

2063
01:29:20,830 --> 01:29:17,960
events or categories of phenomenal

2064
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,840
events are actually perceived within the

2065
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:23,360
subculture and and I think that that in

2066
01:29:28,959 --> 01:29:26,239
the case of shape-shifting there's less

2067
01:29:31,919 --> 01:29:28,969
reluctance for people in the San Luis

2068
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:31,929
Valley for instance to to come forward

2069
01:29:40,270 --> 01:29:37,130
I've never heard that kind of report to

2070
01:29:43,569 --> 01:29:40,280
now that I'm thinking about it maybe

2071
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:43,579
once or twice have I heard a report

2072
01:29:50,580 --> 01:29:47,120
about physical human type shape-shifting

2073
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:50,590
that was not related to a claim of

2074
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:54,440
witches or the occult you know and again

2075
01:30:01,300 --> 01:29:57,500
we're we're sort of we're focusing more

2076
01:30:05,770 --> 01:30:01,310
I think on the the human type accounts

2077
01:30:08,650 --> 01:30:05,780
we're in ufology there's thousands of

2078
01:30:11,410 --> 01:30:08,660
cases of objects that appear to morph

2079
01:30:14,110 --> 01:30:11,420
from one shape into another and and it's

2080
01:30:16,660 --> 01:30:14,120
a fairly common description and I'm sure

2081
01:30:18,820 --> 01:30:16,670
you found this as well NIC that people

2082
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:18,830
say one second it was you know look like

2083
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:20,570
this and the next second it it

2084
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:23,120
transformed or morphed into and shifted

2085
01:30:28,510 --> 01:30:25,850
into another shape we're going to morph

2086
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into something right now with Nick gene

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and Chris you're in the para cast thank

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you see Chris is almost finished

2198
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morphing into something what will he be

2199
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:18,140
we're all trying to figure that out so

2200
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in terms of shapeshifters Nick Redfern

2201
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:23,680
what are the most dangerous

2202
01:35:29,110 --> 01:35:27,050
shapeshifters of all well certainly one

2203
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:29,120
of them I put in that category would be

2204
01:35:33,340 --> 01:35:30,890
the this one is known as the Phantom

2205
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:33,350
black dogs now you can find stories of

2206
01:35:37,870 --> 01:35:35,810
so-called phantom black dogs all around

2207
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:37,880
the world where they're described as

2208
01:35:43,689 --> 01:35:41,810
being much larger than normal dogs and

2209
01:35:46,180 --> 01:35:43,699
they have these fiery blazing red eyes

2210
01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:46,190
the reason why they're so dangerous is

2211
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:48,380
because according to the old legends if

2212
01:35:54,670 --> 01:35:50,810
you were to see one either you or a

2213
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:54,680
family member was about to die now these

2214
01:35:58,689 --> 01:35:56,449
stories proliferate he just such as

2215
01:36:01,840 --> 01:35:58,699
extent centuries ago in the UK that

2216
01:36:03,340 --> 01:36:01,850
actually prompted Arthur Conan Doyle to

2217
01:36:05,380 --> 01:36:03,350
write his Sherlock Holmes novel The

2218
01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:05,390
Hound of the Baskervilles that story is

2219
01:36:09,250 --> 01:36:07,880
actually based on an existing tale of

2220
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,260
one of the fans and black dogs that a

2221
01:36:13,709 --> 01:36:11,810
friend of dolls told him and he thought

2222
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:13,719
well you know I could turn this into a

2223
01:36:18,610 --> 01:36:17,120
like a cool tone a cool Sherlock Holmes

2224
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:18,620
story although it probably didn't use

2225
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:22,910
the word cool but you know that so in

2226
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:24,710
other words these stories proliferate

2227
01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:26,570
but what's interesting about these black

2228
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:29,630
dogs is that in some of them they're

2229
01:36:34,110 --> 01:36:31,400
describing they're described as having

2230
01:36:37,209 --> 01:36:34,120
the ability to expand and shrink in size

2231
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:37,219
which is like really weird you know your

2232
01:36:43,090 --> 01:36:39,920
shape-shifting not into another form but

2233
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,100
your littlest shape-shifting your body

2234
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,719
or the creature is shape-shift in its

2235
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:47,600
body from small to large large to small

2236
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:49,820
etc and there are some cases where

2237
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:52,010
people have seen these phantom black

2238
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:55,930
dogs raised up onto their back legs and

2239
01:37:00,640 --> 01:36:58,489
almost sort of walk like a human if the

2240
01:37:03,070 --> 01:37:00,650
legs kind of snap into almost like a

2241
01:37:04,959 --> 01:37:03,080
human mode but they still have like they

2242
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:04,969
the paw is hanging down you know if

2243
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:06,710
you've got a pet dog and you sitting on

2244
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:08,810
his back legs you know the front paws

2245
01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:10,730
hang down and that's how people have

2246
01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:12,830
described them but they have this sort

2247
01:37:18,189 --> 01:37:15,020
of very much doglike appearance but

2248
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:18,199
walking like a human the black dogs not

2249
01:37:21,140 --> 01:37:20,570
as I said they change from four limbs to

2250
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:21,150
Thole

2251
01:37:25,850 --> 01:37:23,130
and they change in size so there's like

2252
01:37:27,620 --> 01:37:25,860
multiple shifting going on there but you

2253
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:27,630
know when you you specifically talked

2254
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,730
about the dangerous angle of all this

2255
01:37:34,729 --> 01:37:32,239
you know you've got the the issue of

2256
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,739
likely being a precursor to death that

2257
01:37:38,810 --> 01:37:36,239
kind of thing if you just see one of

2258
01:37:41,180 --> 01:37:38,820
these things almost like a you know the

2259
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:41,190
the world's worst kind of Grim Reaper or

2260
01:37:45,260 --> 01:37:43,050
something along those lines you know if

2261
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:45,270
you look at some of these stories I mean

2262
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,300
they are you know definitively dangerous

2263
01:37:52,750 --> 01:37:51,360
I don't really know anyone who's had

2264
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:52,760
what you would call a positive

2265
01:37:58,130 --> 01:37:56,010
experience with any of these things you

2266
01:38:01,399 --> 01:37:58,140
know despite the multiple different

2267
01:38:03,860 --> 01:38:01,409
forms not a single one of them is sort

2268
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:03,870
of friendly I mean another dangerous one

2269
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,719
that sort of also ties in with Native

2270
01:38:11,630 --> 01:38:08,400
American lore but certainly far more

2271
01:38:14,380 --> 01:38:11,640
North it would be the Wendigo you know

2272
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:14,390
the sort of cannibalistic type creature

2273
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,730
which is it's it's kind of confusing so

2274
01:38:22,930 --> 01:38:19,920
the tribes it's sort of like a person

2275
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:22,940
who as research resorted to cannibalism

2276
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:25,290
then takes on more of an animalistic

2277
01:38:30,590 --> 01:38:28,290
form and then there's a belief that a

2278
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:30,600
Wendigo can actually sort of not so much

2279
01:38:35,899 --> 01:38:32,610
shape-shift will actually get into you

2280
01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:35,909
so in other words it's character shape

2281
01:38:40,689 --> 01:38:38,760
shifts into your mind so you're in a

2282
01:38:42,919 --> 01:38:40,699
sense this is like a psychological

2283
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:42,929
shapeshifter this physical shape-shift

2284
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:45,090
but the wendi-go you know I mean this is

2285
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:47,159
sort of a perceived as like a very

2286
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:50,520
dangerous deadly creature and I

2287
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:52,980
sometimes do wonder if some of the

2288
01:38:57,410 --> 01:38:54,570
legends of the Wendigo could have been

2289
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:57,420
based on ancient sightings of Bigfoot

2290
01:39:02,180 --> 01:38:59,460
type creatures that you know the stories

2291
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:02,190
maybe have got distorted

2292
01:39:08,030 --> 01:39:05,219
over time so to speak yeah and also

2293
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:08,040
there's the possibility that the arrival

2294
01:39:15,140 --> 01:39:11,489
of Apaches coming down from Alaska in

2295
01:39:16,459 --> 01:39:15,150
the thirteen or fourteen hundred by the

2296
01:39:19,070 --> 01:39:16,469
time they made it all the way down

2297
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,080
through Canada they had adopted a

2298
01:39:23,630 --> 01:39:21,360
socially acceptable form of cannibalism

2299
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:23,640
and there's one kind of revisionist

2300
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:25,980
school thought that that you know could

2301
01:39:31,399 --> 01:39:29,250
relate the Windigo to actually being an

2302
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:31,409
Apache you know running through the

2303
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:33,940
village quickly grabbing a kid and

2304
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:36,370
keeping on going you know to bring the

2305
01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:37,480
kid back for dinner

2306
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:40,360
so there's several ways to look at the

2307
01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:44,820
Windigo phenomenon and I that particular

2308
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:47,950
possible explanation is not out of the

2309
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:52,090
realm of the realm of question right and

2310
01:39:56,670 --> 01:39:54,610
I think again this sort of demonstrates

2311
01:39:59,760 --> 01:39:56,680
have careful we need to be when we

2312
01:40:01,680 --> 01:39:59,770
looking at sort of particularly ancient

2313
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:01,690
stories and legends and how we perceive

2314
01:40:07,260 --> 01:40:04,690
them you know was it a distortion of

2315
01:40:10,350 --> 01:40:07,270
something far more down-to-earth or was

2316
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:10,360
it something that was exactly as it was

2317
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:13,030
explained I mean another example of like

2318
01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:16,090
a dangerous one would be of all things

2319
01:40:20,490 --> 01:40:17,680
possible the Loch Ness monster or

2320
01:40:23,730 --> 01:40:20,500
monsters today you know people call them

2321
01:40:27,210 --> 01:40:23,740
Nessie's but if you go back to at least

2322
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:27,220
or the 15 1600s you find stories from

2323
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:29,710
multiple Scottish lakes and for people

2324
01:40:33,780 --> 01:40:31,660
who don't know the word Loch is just a

2325
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:33,790
Scottish term that means like but

2326
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:36,850
multiple Scottish locks including Loch

2327
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:38,770
Ness have traditions attached to them

2328
01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:41,110
and what we're known back then as

2329
01:40:46,830 --> 01:40:43,960
kelpies and kelpy was a Scottish term

2330
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:46,840
meaning water horse so back then people

2331
01:40:50,940 --> 01:40:49,510
were saying in Loch Ness and on the

2332
01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:50,950
shores of Loch Ness and on the shores

2333
01:40:55,470 --> 01:40:52,360
and in the waters of other Scottish

2334
01:40:57,930 --> 01:40:55,480
locks these large usually black colored

2335
01:41:00,090 --> 01:40:57,940
or in white colors large horses that

2336
01:41:01,530 --> 01:41:00,100
would stand by the water's edge when

2337
01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:01,540
they saw a person that would try and

2338
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:03,940
entice them to the water's edge and they

2339
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:06,190
suddenly grab them and pull them into

2340
01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:08,530
the rear into the water and supposedly

2341
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:11,680
steal their souls but the the kelpie the

2342
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:13,930
water horse was supposedly had the

2343
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,330
ability to transform also into like a

2344
01:41:20,580 --> 01:41:18,880
beautiful woman who would also try and

2345
01:41:22,770 --> 01:41:20,590
entice somebody down to the edge of the

2346
01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:22,780
water and then again grab them and take

2347
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:25,120
their soul so in other words the Kelty

2348
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:26,950
back in the fifteen sixteen seventeen

2349
01:41:32,370 --> 01:41:30,010
hundreds was a definitive shapeshifter

2350
01:41:34,620 --> 01:41:32,380
at Loch Ness now if we jump forward a

2351
01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:34,630
couple of centuries to Loch Ness of

2352
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,910
today you nobody thinks of the Loch Ness

2353
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:38,800
monsters as looking you know with a

2354
01:41:43,650 --> 01:41:40,570
humpback and this long neck and four

2355
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:43,660
flippers like a class or a decent what

2356
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:46,090
everybody reports they're being cases

2357
01:41:49,070 --> 01:41:46,530
where

2358
01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:49,080
one witness described seeing what looked

2359
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:51,780
like a gigantic frog sitting on a shelf

2360
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:54,210
50 feet under the water it was seen by a

2361
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:56,250
diver he said you know wasn't a long

2362
01:42:00,020 --> 01:41:57,570
necked creature at all he looked like a

2363
01:42:03,470 --> 01:42:00,030
giant frog other people have described

2364
01:42:06,610 --> 01:42:03,480
them as huge salamanders one woman said

2365
01:42:08,750 --> 01:42:06,620
she swore the thing she saw had tusks

2366
01:42:10,340 --> 01:42:08,760
there's another case where somebody

2367
01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:10,350
described it as looking like an

2368
01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:13,110
alligator or a crocodile other people

2369
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,790
have said giant worms or eels and so in

2370
01:42:22,220 --> 01:42:19,920
other words you could make a case of the

2371
01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:22,230
Loch Ness monsters of today and the kelp

2372
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:24,450
is of yesterday are the exact same

2373
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:28,050
things multiple you know forms being

2374
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:30,210
seen in multiple forms over numerous

2375
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:33,210
centuries you know so you could make a

2376
01:42:37,490 --> 01:42:35,250
case that as I said that the kelp is of

2377
01:42:41,380 --> 01:42:37,500
old and never really went away they just

2378
01:42:43,570 --> 01:42:41,390
got renamed as neces that's how it goes

2379
01:42:47,690 --> 01:42:43,580
legend to legend

2380
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:47,700
year after year you wonder about how

2381
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,460
this is going on all the strange things

2382
01:42:54,230 --> 01:42:52,560
that are happening there well I think

2383
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:54,240
the problem is with something like this

2384
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:55,710
when you say you know what's going on

2385
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,050
and that kind of thing nobody really

2386
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:00,960
knows how to tackle shapeshifter stories

2387
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:02,730
because they are so strange you know

2388
01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:06,030
it's not the sort of thing you hear much

2389
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,190
about unless it's in relation to a book

2390
01:43:13,010 --> 01:43:10,560
that's pretty much based on you know the

2391
01:43:15,380 --> 01:43:13,020
folkloric angle and how folklore and

2392
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:15,390
myths develop which really isn't you

2393
01:43:19,070 --> 01:43:17,190
know overly connected to the world of

2394
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,080
the paranormal when you're dealing with

2395
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:21,900
you know space brothers turning into

2396
01:43:27,650 --> 01:43:24,840
balls of light or alien big cats

2397
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:27,660
appearing in crop circles after a you

2398
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:29,430
know a ball of light was seen over the

2399
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:32,730
field things like that so many people I

2400
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:34,650
know from experience just turn away

2401
01:43:38,650 --> 01:43:37,440
because it doesn't sit well in any

2402
01:43:40,340 --> 01:43:38,660
belief system you know the

2403
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:40,350
cryptozoologists don't want any of that

2404
01:43:45,290 --> 01:43:43,410
kind of stuff and the ufologists who are

2405
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driven by the nuts and bolts angle they

2406
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don't want to hear it either you know so

2407
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it ends have been kind of a limbo

2408
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:52,020
situation almost but you know for me I

2409
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:53,880
don't have sort of a belief system where

2410
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,580
I need a lian's to be nuts and bolts or

2411
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I need Bigfoot to be a giant ape I just

2412
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go weather

2413
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data takes me and I think the data is

2414
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taken I've seen some really genuinely

2415
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strange directions well it is

2416
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interesting however how people want to

2417
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pigeonhole these mysteries into a

2418
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specific area and when you try to spread

2419
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their wings a little bit and open their

2420
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:20,280
horizons they resists it quite a bit

2421
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:24,510
don't they belief systems anyway I mean

2422
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religion particularly I mean you look at

2423
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all the different religions and what and

2424
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the only reason we're at war with other

2425
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:31,770
people who have different religions is

2426
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because they think their God is

2427
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different to our God and now God doesn't

2428
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exist and theirs doesn't somebody else's

2429
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does and this book tells the real story

2430
01:44:44,750 --> 01:44:42,750
now this book tells the real story a lot

2431
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:44,760
of this says more about human nature how

2432
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we have belief systems or more

2433
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importantly the people want belief

2434
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systems as well and they get hostile and

2435
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defensive when those belief systems a

2436
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question that can we like to you know

2437
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the Koran versus the Bible it as much as

2438
01:45:03,470 --> 01:45:00,600
it can relate to

2439
01:45:06,230 --> 01:45:03,480
Bigfoot versus a ball of light you know

2440
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we are going to break now but more to

2441
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come with Nick Redfern in the book by

2442
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the way is on shape-shifting

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shapeshifters morphing monsters and

2444
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changing cryptids with gene Chris and

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2500
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:02,950
here's Jane Steinberg alright gonna ask

2501
01:48:09,420 --> 01:48:05,410
you something here - there's a chapter

2502
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,430
there a blob bloodsuckers and you think

2503
01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:10,960
of the vampire legend where of course

2504
01:48:15,420 --> 01:48:13,540
the vampire could always change to

2505
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:15,430
something else yeah

2506
01:48:20,910 --> 01:48:18,550
quite often he'd be a wolf in the old

2507
01:48:25,530 --> 01:48:20,920
stories you know the vampire could turn

2508
01:48:27,660 --> 01:48:25,540
into as you said a wolf of a black bat

2509
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,670
you know and and so we have that

2510
01:48:31,470 --> 01:48:29,440
shapeshifter angle and I talked about

2511
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:31,480
that in the book to demonstrate the

2512
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:34,510
folkloric angle of vampires and how this

2513
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:36,850
phenomena began but one of the things I

2514
01:48:42,900 --> 01:48:40,450
talk about more in that chapter is the

2515
01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:42,910
chupacabra of Puerto Rico which you know

2516
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:44,470
many people have perceived as a

2517
01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:48,010
definitive vampire in the sense this

2518
01:48:52,020 --> 01:48:51,160
it's the term chupacabra Spanish for

2519
01:48:53,550 --> 01:48:52,030
goatsucker

2520
01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:53,560
because a lot of the animals that

2521
01:48:58,530 --> 01:48:55,720
originally or initially I should say

2522
01:49:00,360 --> 01:48:58,540
attacked were goats and the stories were

2523
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:00,370
that you know massive amounts of blood

2524
01:49:05,460 --> 01:49:02,530
would drain from their bodies and I've

2525
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:05,470
been to order a car many occasions doing

2526
01:49:09,060 --> 01:49:07,210
expeditions to the looking for the

2527
01:49:10,860 --> 01:49:09,070
chupacabra and every time I've been

2528
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:10,870
there I've heard stories of this sort of

2529
01:49:16,710 --> 01:49:13,870
blood draining angle but why I include

2530
01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:16,720
that in the book is because again people

2531
01:49:22,290 --> 01:49:19,240
in the same way people talked about

2532
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:22,300
Mothman taking on different forms that's

2533
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,010
exactly what I've had with the

2534
01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:26,560
chupacabra on Puerto Rico when I went

2535
01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:28,840
there in 2004 a lot of the stories I had

2536
01:49:32,930 --> 01:49:30,790
would be traditional ones that came out

2537
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:32,940
from the mid 90s where people saw this

2538
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:35,290
creature like a fast running creature

2539
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:38,140
about the size of and design of a

2540
01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:40,630
chimpanzee but without hair and having

2541
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:42,580
this sort of row of spikes down its head

2542
01:49:47,460 --> 01:49:45,010
and neck and sometimes were these

2543
01:49:49,290 --> 01:49:47,470
vicious looking claws and fangs now

2544
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:49,300
other people swore that they saw

2545
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:51,400
something just like that but which had

2546
01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:53,920
what you would almost call like bat

2547
01:49:57,419 --> 01:49:56,230
light wings like membranous wings that

2548
01:49:59,880 --> 01:49:57,429
kind of thing

2549
01:50:02,250 --> 01:49:59,890
which did give its reportedly like an

2550
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:02,260
almost looking like a giant bat

2551
01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:05,050
something along those lines now there

2552
01:50:09,180 --> 01:50:07,120
are other cases where people said to me

2553
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:09,190
they saw these things up close and

2554
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:11,230
personal and said that they had sort of

2555
01:50:16,830 --> 01:50:15,520
bright feathery wings and again to be so

2556
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:16,840
close and to see something it's

2557
01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:19,030
difficult to see how they could explain

2558
01:50:22,380 --> 01:50:20,260
one thing for another

2559
01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:22,390
so I've had people tell me on Puerto

2560
01:50:28,220 --> 01:50:25,780
Rico of sightings of what they were sure

2561
01:50:30,300 --> 01:50:28,230
with a chupacabra but it looked

2562
01:50:32,220 --> 01:50:30,310
incredibly different to somebody else's

2563
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:32,230
description now I think it's way too

2564
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:35,530
much to accept that it will be multiple

2565
01:50:39,419 --> 01:50:37,810
four or five different types of unknown

2566
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:39,429
animal on Puerto Rico I don't believe

2567
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:42,880
that but the idea that the chupacabra

2568
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:45,130
could be some sort of supernatural thing

2569
01:50:50,490 --> 01:50:48,250
which echoes kind of be the Mothman

2570
01:50:54,090 --> 01:50:50,500
stories that does make me think that

2571
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,100
this lesson our angle of the of the

2572
01:50:59,130 --> 01:50:56,800
chupacabra you know and there could be a

2573
01:51:01,080 --> 01:50:59,140
shape-shifter tie-in there as well

2574
01:51:04,530 --> 01:51:01,090
unless you know the witnesses are

2575
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:04,540
mistaken which isn't impossible but you

2576
01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:07,090
know I do point out in some cases the

2577
01:51:10,740 --> 01:51:08,830
descriptions were radically different

2578
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:10,750
but still kind of simile no with the

2579
01:51:14,130 --> 01:51:13,510
wings and the humanoid side body wine

2580
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:14,140
people

2581
01:51:22,590 --> 01:51:20,500
and go get those everywhere I mean you

2582
01:51:24,990 --> 01:51:22,600
have the owl man in England masked man

2583
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,000
in the United States back in the early

2584
01:51:28,590 --> 01:51:26,800
fifties in the city of Houston had a

2585
01:51:30,570 --> 01:51:28,600
wave of sightings of what became known

2586
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,580
as a Houston Batman that's what the

2587
01:51:34,649 --> 01:51:33,280
press called it back in 53 and you find

2588
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:34,659
a few stories online on this

2589
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,840
little-known tale and the fact of course

2590
01:51:44,820 --> 01:51:39,520
that his name was Bruce Wayne didn't

2591
01:51:47,220 --> 01:51:44,830
impact matters did it exactly my son was

2592
01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:47,230
born on February 19th which happens to

2593
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,440
be one of the alleged birthdays of Bruce

2594
01:51:54,899 --> 01:51:52,719
Wayne I mean their other birth dates too

2595
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:54,909
but February 19th applies to him and

2596
01:52:02,520 --> 01:51:59,530
also to the young actor who plays Bruce

2597
01:52:04,740 --> 01:52:02,530
Wayne in Gotham you're the only person I

2598
01:52:07,770 --> 01:52:04,750
know gene that could remember something

2599
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:07,780
Bruce Wayne's birthday well it's my son

2600
01:52:13,089 --> 01:52:11,030
so I obviously consider a significant

2601
01:52:15,220 --> 01:52:13,099
Chris he's not the Batman type but you

2602
01:52:15,870 --> 01:52:15,230
know what that you seriously frightened

2603
01:52:19,629 --> 01:52:15,880
me

2604
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:19,639
well wait do you see what happens when

2605
01:52:24,459 --> 01:52:23,210
the moon is full and bright yeah I don't

2606
01:52:27,370 --> 01:52:24,469
know much about comic books

2607
01:52:29,379 --> 01:52:27,380
unfortunately anything but but yeah I

2608
01:52:31,959 --> 01:52:29,389
mean I you know just doing the research

2609
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:31,969
in the book you know I realized how much

2610
01:52:36,490 --> 01:52:34,400
you know shape-shifting has come into

2611
01:52:38,410 --> 01:52:36,500
sort of popular culture in the in the

2612
01:52:41,529 --> 01:52:38,420
modern er not just in movies you know

2613
01:52:43,689 --> 01:52:41,539
but graphic novels and all sorts well I

2614
01:52:46,180 --> 01:52:43,699
think even if you go back to the early

2615
01:52:49,060 --> 01:52:46,190
40s I mentioned of course Shazam which

2616
01:52:52,689 --> 01:52:49,070
is the command that turns young Billy

2617
01:52:54,669 --> 01:52:52,699
Batson into the magic superhero Captain

2618
01:52:57,310 --> 01:52:54,679
Marvel that's a shape-shifting operation

2619
01:53:00,669 --> 01:52:57,320
you got this skinny nerd who becomes

2620
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:00,679
this big powerful creature or human

2621
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,110
being certainly but he was the rival to

2622
01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:05,119
Superman at one time and that's one

2623
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:06,590
person it's not like Clark Kent and

2624
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:08,000
Superman where it's the same guy pulling

2625
01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:10,070
off the glasses it's a completely

2626
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:11,510
different shape a completely different

2627
01:53:18,609 --> 01:53:15,920
voice it cetera demonstrates the

2628
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:18,619
different aspects of what is defined as

2629
01:53:23,919 --> 01:53:21,260
shape-shifting it's not one thing you

2630
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:23,929
know it's mimicking its physical changes

2631
01:53:29,169 --> 01:53:26,960
its changes in the mind you know

2632
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:29,179
supernatural changes you know sort of

2633
01:53:34,270 --> 01:53:30,920
take you know almost like a camouflage

2634
01:53:37,330 --> 01:53:34,280
kind of angle so it can mean all things

2635
01:53:38,799 --> 01:53:37,340
to different people and you know I think

2636
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:38,809
that's an important thing to remember

2637
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:41,840
that it's not just one angle and when we

2638
01:53:45,660 --> 01:53:44,270
look into these alternative angles as

2639
01:53:47,979 --> 01:53:45,670
well like I said we see a lot of

2640
01:53:49,859 --> 01:53:47,989
connections and parallels which led me

2641
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:49,869
to believe but it is a legitimate

2642
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:52,159
phenomenon but it you know as I said the

2643
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:56,000
science base is so far out that even

2644
01:53:59,229 --> 01:53:57,050
Schreiner

2645
01:54:02,109 --> 01:53:59,239
to begin to rationalize it and

2646
01:54:05,709 --> 01:54:02,119
understand it is almost a non-starter

2647
01:54:09,459 --> 01:54:05,719
you know well unless you assume then

2648
01:54:11,709 --> 01:54:09,469
every case here the shapeshifters are

2649
01:54:14,189 --> 01:54:11,719
just an illusion to some degree it's

2650
01:54:16,930 --> 01:54:14,199
almost like a kind of mass hypnosis or

2651
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:16,940
self-hypnosis or something you're seeing

2652
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:20,239
something in a different form but that's

2653
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:25,000
possible you know the idea that somebody

2654
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:28,610
is being sort of driven to see something

2655
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:30,670
that may be almost like a sophisticated

2656
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,050
hologram or something like that

2657
01:54:37,150 --> 01:54:35,360
rather than you know physical events I

2658
01:54:39,610 --> 01:54:37,160
mean I guess the closest thing I could

2659
01:54:41,950 --> 01:54:39,620
think of in the fictional world would be

2660
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:41,960
kind of like you know the Matrix movies

2661
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:44,480
where we're living in this extremely

2662
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:46,610
realistic looking world which is you

2663
01:54:52,300 --> 01:54:49,690
know you cannot sort of define it from

2664
01:54:54,220 --> 01:54:52,310
not from the real world but it isn't

2665
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,230
real you know it's a dream and we're

2666
01:55:00,610 --> 01:54:56,800
living in like this sophisticated

2667
01:55:01,780 --> 01:55:00,620
program well maybe some encounters occur

2668
01:55:03,580 --> 01:55:01,790
in that you know there's there's

2669
01:55:05,890 --> 01:55:03,590
evidence that some men in black cases

2670
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:05,900
might occur in that kind of scenario

2671
01:55:10,930 --> 01:55:08,570
where if anybody else was in the room

2672
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:10,940
they might just see the witness sitting

2673
01:55:14,740 --> 01:55:12,800
there vacantly on the couch but for the

2674
01:55:16,630 --> 01:55:14,750
witness you know there are these three

2675
01:55:18,940 --> 01:55:16,640
or four men MIB surrounding them

2676
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:18,950
threatening them but it could be you

2677
01:55:23,590 --> 01:55:21,410
know like a sophisticated hologram

2678
01:55:24,729 --> 01:55:23,600
projection and of course if you're if

2679
01:55:27,610 --> 01:55:24,739
you've got a hologram and you're

2680
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:27,620
projecting something well then who knows

2681
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:30,800
how many you know tweaks you could make

2682
01:55:36,190 --> 01:55:33,170
to make it changes form so I think that

2683
01:55:38,170 --> 01:55:36,200
angle of like a like a deceptive

2684
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:38,180
hologram or a camouflage

2685
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:40,250
could actually explain a lot of cases

2686
01:55:46,090 --> 01:55:42,130
and could explain and perhaps quite

2687
01:55:48,220 --> 01:55:46,100
easily as well you know if it's not a

2688
01:55:50,770 --> 01:55:48,230
physical change but it's sort of a

2689
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:50,780
projection in front of the eye of the

2690
01:55:58,720 --> 01:55:53,210
person so to speak so the question would

2691
01:56:00,459 --> 01:55:58,730
be who is doing the projection well one

2692
01:56:02,820 --> 01:56:00,469
of the things I would say the crops up

2693
01:56:04,510 --> 01:56:02,830
in not not all

2694
01:56:06,820 --> 01:56:04,520
shapeshifters and certainly not the

2695
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majority but it does crop up in some of

2696
01:56:12,010 --> 01:56:09,140
them is that when the people see these

2697
01:56:15,570 --> 01:56:12,020
shapeshifters they sometimes feel kind

2698
01:56:18,610 --> 01:56:15,580
of sick and ill and weak and shaky and

2699
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so one of the things that I kind of

2700
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,570
suspect and it is a suspicion and you

2701
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:22,880
know admitted I don't have proof but I

2702
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do wonder if they're almost sort of like

2703
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energy suckers you know they're like a

2704
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psychic vampire in the sense that they

2705
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fade on the human life force on energy

2706
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:38,270
and maybe the whole point

2707
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transforming into these sort of

2708
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frightening and terrifying images is to

2709
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amp up the the fear factor which gets

2710
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all these stress chemicals pumping

2711
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around and then they perhaps even feed

2712
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on them parasitically you know and so

2713
01:57:01,300 --> 01:56:58,340
maybe that the whole point is that they

2714
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need to be seen to stay alive because

2715
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they feed on us and they can only feed

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on us if they've got the required high

2717
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levels of stress chemicals and you know

2718
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energy levels swarming around us so I do

2719
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wonder if you know the whole point of

2720
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shape-shifting and being seen the goal

2721
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of it is in a very strange way you know

2722
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we're there food almost they have to

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suck up the energy suck up this ladies

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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2821
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podcast.com that voice is getting hoarse

2822
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sir and hoarsely and right you know he

2823
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was originally going to be on a couple

2824
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:12,820
of weeks back and he said you know I

2825
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don't know if you really want me on

2826
02:02:21,899 --> 02:02:19,599
because I had this chest thing with a

2827
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nasty-ass chest cold little past week

2828
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:25,929
and a half in fact my voice was almost

2829
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:31,150
gone after I got got in last night no no

2830
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:33,250
I got mine on a cruise ship and I

2831
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:35,920
actually did lose my voice for like half

2832
02:02:42,270 --> 02:02:39,250
a day and I mean without getting too

2833
02:03:07,950 --> 02:02:42,280
graphic I mean there man a green crap I

2834
02:03:10,410 --> 02:03:07,960
was coughing up it was like the flight

2835
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:10,420
coming back from their little babies are

2836
02:03:16,020 --> 02:03:14,770
sick and coughing I was awful I had a

2837
02:03:18,660 --> 02:03:16,030
little bit of that a couple of weeks

2838
02:03:21,390 --> 02:03:18,670
back where I was coughing a lot and I

2839
02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:21,400
thought maybe somebody I was taking

2840
02:03:27,089 --> 02:03:23,500
during the ride hailing gigs that I do

2841
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:27,099
and one of the passengers possibly had a

2842
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:29,110
cold or a cough and you can't say get

2843
02:03:47,970 --> 02:03:35,050
out get out of my car or you all be

2844
02:03:51,330 --> 02:03:47,980
exterminated house invitation babies are

2845
02:03:52,260 --> 02:03:51,340
coughing I mean God knows how powerful

2846
02:03:54,270 --> 02:03:52,270
you know those

2847
02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:54,280
bugs are because their immune systems

2848
02:03:59,490 --> 02:03:56,770
are just so you know jacked jacked up

2849
02:04:02,690 --> 02:03:59,500
and powerful to begin with you know the

2850
02:04:06,330 --> 02:04:02,700
bugs are going to be exceptionally

2851
02:04:10,050 --> 02:04:06,340
robust totally off subject of course but

2852
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:10,060
I mean I also get anything like that at

2853
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:11,710
all and whether it's whether you guys

2854
02:04:17,220 --> 02:04:14,770
are benefits on it or not but I have I

2855
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have a Lyme every day I to Lyme every

2856
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day which is which are filled with

2857
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packed with vitamin C well I have one

2858
02:04:27,470 --> 02:04:23,110
every day I'll be like literally I

2859
02:04:30,630 --> 02:04:27,480
literally have like 365 limes a year Wow

2860
02:04:33,450 --> 02:04:30,640
my loved one so yeah I just chopped them

2861
02:04:38,730 --> 02:04:33,460
into four into fours and four quarters

2862
02:04:40,260 --> 02:04:38,740
and just punch him down and yeah one

2863
02:04:46,070 --> 02:04:40,270
every day for a year you know that's a

2864
02:04:48,780 --> 02:04:46,080
ton of limes called Nilsson Schmilsson

2865
02:05:00,840 --> 02:04:48,790
where he sings a song called she put the

2866
02:05:03,060 --> 02:05:00,850
lime in the coconut what's the song gene

2867
02:05:05,220 --> 02:05:03,070
called the doc and welcome up and said

2868
02:05:07,710 --> 02:05:05,230
doctor it says she put the lime in the

2869
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:07,720
coconut she called the doctor woke him

2870
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:11,050
up and said doctor ain't there nothing I

2871
02:05:16,290 --> 02:05:13,840
can take I said doctor to relieve this

2872
02:05:18,930 --> 02:05:16,300
bellyache I said doctor ain't there

2873
02:05:20,910 --> 02:05:18,940
nothing I can take I think he had it

2874
02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:20,920
been a pretty strange state of mind when

2875
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:25,120
Harry Nilsson wrote the song well he was

2876
02:05:31,050 --> 02:05:28,560
also the notorious party animal and

2877
02:05:33,870 --> 02:05:31,060
could party pretty much anybody under

2878
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:33,880
the table he was quite the party boy

2879
02:05:38,070 --> 02:05:35,590
well you know there's a story about

2880
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:38,080
Harry Nelson just very quickly where the

2881
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:40,090
Beatles brought him in there and he met

2882
02:05:46,740 --> 02:05:44,110
Brian Epstein and he decided though he

2883
02:05:50,130 --> 02:05:46,750
didn't like gays so the Beatles threw

2884
02:05:52,650 --> 02:05:50,140
him out when he said that that's true

2885
02:05:54,690 --> 02:05:52,660
apparently and then later on after Brian

2886
02:05:58,620 --> 02:05:54,700
Epstein died John Lennon hooked up with

2887
02:06:00,360 --> 02:05:58,630
Nilsson and they became friends Lenny

2888
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:00,370
McCartney's I think favorite American

2889
02:06:08,490 --> 02:06:05,330
vocalist not my music

2890
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:08,500
you know ya know Nick what do you think

2891
02:06:14,890 --> 02:06:11,330
blitzkrieg bop bop is being used as a

2892
02:06:28,450 --> 02:06:14,900
jingle on the peloton exercise bike

2893
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:28,460
commercials quite a lot you know sports

2894
02:06:37,900 --> 02:06:32,690
games all over the place I think he died

2895
02:06:39,220 --> 02:06:37,910
in me about 18 months ago it's kind of

2896
02:06:40,930 --> 02:06:39,230
weird that all the ones who've died

2897
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:40,940
we're all like the four originals

2898
02:06:57,190 --> 02:06:53,110
reaching who was in the band for a while

2899
02:07:01,210 --> 02:06:57,200
a still around and CJ replaced ad when

2900
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:01,220
he walked out in 89 I think it was he's

2901
02:07:04,660 --> 02:07:03,110
still around and even Clem Burke who

2902
02:07:07,150 --> 02:07:04,670
played with him for the two shows but

2903
02:07:09,730 --> 02:07:07,160
couldn't keep up he's still alive yeah

2904
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:09,740
well you noticing now that you know the

2905
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:12,530
baby the baby boomer a rock rock star

2906
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:14,810
generation it's all the party boys of a

2907
02:07:18,730 --> 02:07:16,370
kicking off first

2908
02:07:23,050 --> 02:07:18,740
Bowie was notorious had a terrible

2909
02:07:25,170 --> 02:07:23,060
cocaine habit for four years Glenn Frey

2910
02:07:27,790 --> 02:07:25,180
you know another one just a party animal

2911
02:07:33,490 --> 02:07:27,800
you noticing that you know we're losing

2912
02:07:36,820 --> 02:07:33,500
all the party boys first what about Tom

2913
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:36,830
Petty Tom Petty was Tom Petty was a

2914
02:07:42,490 --> 02:07:40,490
major party animal sure heroin addict

2915
02:07:51,010 --> 02:07:42,500
coke addict for on and off for many

2916
02:07:53,890 --> 02:07:51,020
years will explain the Rolling Stones to

2917
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:53,900
me then how are they still around I mean

2918
02:07:58,300 --> 02:07:56,030
you look at Keith Richards they say this

2919
02:08:00,880 --> 02:07:58,310
guy has already been dead for 50 years

2920
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:00,890
also Chuck Berry hung out til he was in

2921
02:08:08,890 --> 02:08:03,050
his eighties and he was a really wild

2922
02:08:10,630 --> 02:08:08,900
guy though he was 90 and he died Richard

2923
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actually gave up all the hard stuff like

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30 years ago you know he got off heroin

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and everything yeah he's been clean

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since the mid eighties yeah you know I

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think he does

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ready talk to biography he said now you

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know he'll have a glass of wine or

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whatever but you know those days had

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gone for him as well he was on the mic

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the other night and said that said

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it pumping up the old image there I

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guess or something yeah cigarettes are

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smoker for many years he was the oldest

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I think he's 80 81 now getting up there

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Charlie Watts is the one that blows my

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mind I mean you know you see all these

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bands that have been around you know 30

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40 years and they're on their third or

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fourth drummer you know playing drums is

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is you know you do that 300 nights a

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number one and number two you know you

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brush stroke there but but Charlie watch

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you really got to admire the fact that

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and that's more like a bait drummer you

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know what I mean rather than somebody

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you know double bass Keith Moon Mitch

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seventy seven forty eight hundred six

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course you know speaking of drummers

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Ringo he was on tour recently and he's

3077
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what 77 now I don't think he's that old

3078
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but he's getting up there I'll look it

3079
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up as you guys talk let's get back to

3080
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the shapeshifters unless we have some

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shape-shifting drummers how's that on

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Facebook there was a headline where it

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said Billy Corgan of the Smashing

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Pumpkins it said it's saying somebody

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shape-shift really whoa Lady Gaga

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claimed that Prince Charles shape

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shifted in front of her you see the

3088
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monarchy in Maine okay they are shape

3089
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shifters oh by the way Ringo Starr

3090
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turned 77 in July Wow that's getting up

3091
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there

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I mean Peace Love of course he doesn't

3093
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play the drums as heavily as others and

3094
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I gather probably in concerts because

3095
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he's singing a lot he has others to the

3096
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drumming Paul McCartney though hasn't

3097
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aged well at all he looks much older

3098
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than Ringo why would someone like a Paul

3099
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McCartney who's worth a billion dollars

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why are they out touring and I guess

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once it's in your blood is kinda hard to

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stop but man rush when you get on stage

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and everybody's cheering for you and

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clapping and screaming he's probably

3105
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hard it's hard to give that up you know

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I suppose especially if you got the knee

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go the size of Mount Rushmore like he

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does well you have to have an ego like

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that to do what he does if you don't you

3110
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couldn't get up on stage like that but

3111
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his voice is pretty raw these days isn't

3112
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it he's 75 by the way yeah speaking

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about Rob voices Bob Dylan for the past

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ten years I mean he's he's croaky the

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Frog you can barely you know

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I mean it's it's almost embarrassing

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that he's even still trying to trying to

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pass off his voices as being lyrical and

3119
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melodious he traded on his voice but I

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mean in the last year they with Hein and

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I know he just wanted to just keep going

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on you know what else was he gonna do

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you know I need sort of died just a

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couple of weeks after the last game I

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just managed to do it just hang on but I

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mean his voice was shot 12 months before

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they stopped and with hindsight if he

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watched some of those last concerts yes

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it's incredible that it was almost 70

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and playing a 90 minute

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motoring show you know three nights a

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week yeah incredible to do that but also

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wasn't on top form and I think you know

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there's a case to be made that the time

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comes when you should stop anyway you

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know what I mean because yeah people

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remember your unfortunately when you're

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at your worst like oh my god remember

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and that kind of things Barry was

3140
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performing a must until the end the last

3141
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couple of years I think I mean but it's

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kind of like you know come back to the

3143
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Ramones I mean they're my favorite band

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but I mean I'm glad when they split up

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you know they were all still in their

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forties because it'd be ridiculous to

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say a bunch of guys 65 trying to play

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Ramones songs at that speed you know

3149
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what I mean how old is Pete Townsend

3150
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Pete Townsend he's in his early 70s I

3151
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think Roger Daltrey is a little older

3152
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couple years older yeah I'm looking he's

3153
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72 Pete Townsend and Daltrey I think 74

3154
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I'm looking I'm looking and then we have

3155
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to get back to shape-shifting he's

3156
02:18:43,230 --> 02:18:41,030
actually let's see jay-z year older he's

3157
02:18:45,670 --> 02:18:43,240
a year older so he's like 73 now I guess

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anyway all right let's get back to

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reality here or whatever if someone

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wants to start looking into legends of

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shapeshifters where in your book can you

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point them to a starting point well

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that's a good question I mean you know I

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think it's inevitable that people are

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gonna be sort of driven to werewolf type

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stories but what I would say first for

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the modern

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you know you have this new version of

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the werewolf which is known as the dog

3170
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man it's like a politically correct term

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for people who don't want to use the

3172
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term werewolf because it seems so

3173
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bizarre you know now there actually

3174
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aren't a lot of reports of dog men you

3175
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know allegedly changing from human to

3176
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dog man in fact they're almost

3177
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non-existent ironically but you're doing

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a lot of reports of these so called dog

3179
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men figures like the black dogs of

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England where they transform from being

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on four limbs to two now the dog Manford

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3185
02:19:52,099 --> 02:19:49,890
end on the subject she gets so many

3186
02:19:53,210 --> 02:19:52,109
reports so I would say to people you

3187
02:19:55,790 --> 02:19:53,220
know if you're interested in the

3188
02:19:58,370 --> 02:19:55,800
shape-shifting angle make a start with a

3189
02:20:00,109 --> 02:19:58,380
dog man issue because you know reports

3190
02:20:02,450 --> 02:20:00,119
are still being made as I said and it's

3191
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:02,460
a very much an ongoing mystery and a lot

3192
02:20:07,219 --> 02:20:05,130
of ongoing research and that will sort

3193
02:20:08,979 --> 02:20:07,229
of give you some insight into what

3194
02:20:11,540 --> 02:20:08,989
people have said about these creatures

3195
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:11,550
running on four limbs like a gigantic

3196
02:20:16,340 --> 02:20:14,130
wolf and they stand up and the legs kind

3197
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:16,350
of change a bit and they're more

3198
02:20:21,529 --> 02:20:18,960
humanoid so you know that's very kind of

3199
02:20:22,969 --> 02:20:21,539
relevant time wise to where we are now

3200
02:20:25,969 --> 02:20:22,979
so that that would be definitely a good

3201
02:20:27,319 --> 02:20:25,979
place to start well then the Godfrey's

3202
02:20:29,569 --> 02:20:27,329
been on a couple of times in the para

3203
02:20:31,130 --> 02:20:29,579
cast I urged listeners to look them up

3204
02:20:33,649 --> 02:20:31,140
because she really is really a nice

3205
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:33,659
woman that has a lot of fascinating

3206
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:36,720
stories to tell definitely yeah

3207
02:20:45,620 --> 02:20:41,760
so we want to do that definitely going

3208
02:20:47,929 --> 02:20:45,630
to focus on that one there sometimes you

3209
02:20:49,729 --> 02:20:47,939
know the more I write about these things

3210
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:49,739
and I think that I'm sure Chris gets

3211
02:20:54,410 --> 02:20:51,930
these two of these books you know people

3212
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:54,420
do contact you when there's something

3213
02:20:58,969 --> 02:20:56,880
relevant to you know that this relevant

3214
02:21:00,979 --> 02:20:58,979
to them you know and if you've written

3215
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:00,989
about it so that does sometimes make it

3216
02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:02,880
easier but when people approach you

3217
02:21:07,639 --> 02:21:05,369
rather than you have to try and find the

3218
02:21:09,979 --> 02:21:07,649
stories well there's an impression here

3219
02:21:12,649 --> 02:21:09,989
I think also Nick that allow these

3220
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:12,659
shape-shifting stories are not new but

3221
02:21:19,069 --> 02:21:14,130
that's not the case you're getting stuff

3222
02:21:20,630 --> 02:21:19,079
all the time aren't you because when

3223
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:20,640
people think of werewolves they

3224
02:21:25,099 --> 02:21:23,520
give like Eastern Europe in the 1700s or

3225
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:25,109
whatever you know and some little

3226
02:21:30,229 --> 02:21:28,770
village in East Germany where the you

3227
02:21:33,979 --> 02:21:30,239
know I think they get the local priest

3228
02:21:36,139 --> 02:21:33,989
out and whatever you know to kill the

3229
02:21:38,899 --> 02:21:36,149
vampire or the werewolf but no you're

3230
02:21:41,210 --> 02:21:38,909
right that I'm in shape shift these Big

3231
02:21:42,769 --> 02:21:41,220
Thicket Bigfoot type stories I was

3232
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:42,779
talking about changing two balls of

3233
02:21:45,710 --> 02:21:43,290
light

3234
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:45,720
the most recent one I have from the Big

3235
02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:49,370
Thicket I think is about four years ago

3236
02:21:54,649 --> 02:21:52,290
the the black dogs are still being seen

3237
02:21:57,490 --> 02:21:54,659
in England not as much granted as they

3238
02:22:00,889 --> 02:21:57,500
used to be the people do still see them

3239
02:22:04,910 --> 02:22:00,899
and you know these flying humanoid

3240
02:22:06,290 --> 02:22:04,920
things we still get to see them so you

3241
02:22:09,229 --> 02:22:06,300
know it's very much an ongoing

3242
02:22:11,960 --> 02:22:09,239
phenomenon but I think the problem is we

3243
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:11,970
kind of touched on earlier that these

3244
02:22:16,490 --> 02:22:14,250
cases are so bizarre in many respects

3245
02:22:17,660 --> 02:22:16,500
for people people a lot of the time

3246
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:17,670
people just don't want to talk about

3247
02:22:22,939 --> 02:22:20,810
them because the weirder it is the more

3248
02:22:25,849 --> 02:22:22,949
worried there they are about their

3249
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:25,859
reputations you know well certainly yeah

3250
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:31,050
I'm worried about that shifting now I

3251
02:22:37,189 --> 02:22:34,170
have no reputation or you know having to

3252
02:22:38,990 --> 02:22:37,199
worry about what I say I say what I say

3253
02:22:41,269 --> 02:22:39,000
people like it that's fine if people

3254
02:22:42,679 --> 02:22:41,279
like it I don't like it I'm not going to

3255
02:22:44,899 --> 02:22:42,689
lose sleep over it you know I'm gonna

3256
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:44,909
say what I think and put out what I

3257
02:22:50,300 --> 02:22:47,370
think if people like it that's good

3258
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:50,310
people think Nick's crazy well I'll get

3259
02:22:54,439 --> 02:22:52,250
in the middle finger you know so what

3260
02:22:58,059 --> 02:22:54,449
well here's something right here in

3261
02:23:00,979 --> 02:22:58,069
August 2016 the author that's usual sir

3262
02:23:05,450 --> 02:23:00,989
visited the site of many of the Defiance

3263
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:05,460
Ohio Wolfman encounters from 1972 you

3264
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:08,010
were trying to do the research hands on

3265
02:23:13,070 --> 02:23:11,250
direct on the scene well yeah I always

3266
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:13,080
try and do this you know I mean look at

3267
02:23:16,189 --> 02:23:14,399
the Big Thicket I've been there many

3268
02:23:18,290 --> 02:23:16,199
times I've been to Point Pleasant many

3269
02:23:19,309 --> 02:23:18,300
times Puerto Rico I always think it's

3270
02:23:21,979 --> 02:23:19,319
important if you're gonna do

3271
02:23:24,590 --> 02:23:21,989
investigative work to go to the places

3272
02:23:27,950 --> 02:23:24,600
now the one you talked about Defiance

3273
02:23:30,530 --> 02:23:27,960
Ohio this is one of the very few cases I

3274
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:30,540
have on record from a relatively recent

3275
02:23:35,630 --> 02:23:32,130
time

3276
02:23:38,090 --> 02:23:35,640
where the witnesses were sure that this

3277
02:23:40,850 --> 02:23:38,100
creature was a human turn into a

3278
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:40,860
werewolf now defiance is a little town

3279
02:23:47,300 --> 02:23:44,880
you know Ohio let's tell the story in

3280
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:47,310
our final segment we'll hear the story

3281
02:23:51,679 --> 02:23:50,370
about what happened in defiance ohio you

3282
02:23:56,750 --> 02:23:51,689
should know somebody who lived there I

3283
02:23:58,730 --> 02:23:56,760
don't think it was a werewolf gene and

3284
02:24:01,860 --> 02:23:58,740
Nick and Chris it's your turn Nick

3285
02:24:10,370 --> 02:24:07,460
[Applause]

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that must have been your your British

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soccer announcer boys well I thing is we

3402
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keep doing that somebody will sock you

3403
02:29:25,490 --> 02:29:21,540
the Defiant's werewolf stories a weird

3404
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:25,500
one dates back to 1972 and in the summer

3405
02:29:30,410 --> 02:29:28,110
months what happened was that there were

3406
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initial wave of sightings near an old

3407
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railroad that runs through the town

3408
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which is still there to this day hasn't

3409
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really changed at all just the old

3410
02:29:41,180 --> 02:29:38,641
buildings have just been repainted etc

3411
02:29:42,381 --> 02:29:41,190
etc but what was happening was that you

3412
02:29:44,211 --> 02:29:42,391
know you had some of the guys who are

3413
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:44,221
working shifts so they're working

3414
02:29:48,650 --> 02:29:46,250
through the night on the railroad and

3415
02:29:51,711 --> 02:29:48,660
they were the ones the initial people

3416
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:51,721
reported seeing what looks like one of

3417
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:53,370
these so-called dog men that I mentioned

3418
02:29:58,310 --> 02:29:55,410
earlier but with one difference it was

3419
02:30:01,040 --> 02:29:58,320
wearing like tattered clothes sort of no

3420
02:30:03,560 --> 02:30:01,050
shoes or anything but a t-shirt anted

3421
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:03,570
pants as if he did sort of you know

3422
02:30:08,540 --> 02:30:05,760
burst out of its regular clothing and

3423
02:30:10,551 --> 02:30:08,550
groan and the clouds are split and of

3424
02:30:13,430 --> 02:30:10,561
course at first people laughed and but

3425
02:30:15,350 --> 02:30:13,440
you know these railroad staffer adamant

3426
02:30:17,450 --> 02:30:15,360
about what they've seen then other

3427
02:30:19,580 --> 02:30:17,460
people around town she's not a big town

3428
02:30:21,230 --> 02:30:19,590
I heard these weird howlings in the

3429
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:21,240
middle of the night people reported

3430
02:30:25,580 --> 02:30:23,280
hearing scratches on the front doors and

3431
02:30:27,230 --> 02:30:25,590
the police got involved they actually

3432
02:30:30,020 --> 02:30:27,240
even open the file you know what you

3433
02:30:31,370 --> 02:30:30,030
could arguably call a real-life X file

3434
02:30:32,990 --> 02:30:31,380
and maybe you know through the

3435
02:30:34,461 --> 02:30:33,000
proofreader Information Act you might

3436
02:30:36,410 --> 02:30:34,471
still be able to get that yeah he's

3437
02:30:38,450 --> 02:30:36,420
probably stored away in the vaults or

3438
02:30:39,950 --> 02:30:38,460
the old dusty filing cabinets at the

3439
02:30:41,540 --> 02:30:39,960
police station

3440
02:30:44,750 --> 02:30:41,550
but the police took the story very

3441
02:30:46,881 --> 02:30:44,760
seriously and the the local media in and

3442
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:46,891
around defiance all covered this story

3443
02:30:52,370 --> 02:30:50,010
for roughly two months from about July

3444
02:30:55,610 --> 02:30:52,380
to the start of a July to the end of

3445
02:30:57,470 --> 02:30:55,620
August in 1972 and it was actually as I

3446
02:30:59,390 --> 02:30:57,480
said taken very very seriously because

3447
02:31:03,560 --> 02:30:59,400
multiple people were seeing this

3448
02:31:06,711 --> 02:31:03,570
creature and so when I chance I went out

3449
02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:06,721
there last year just roughly round about

3450
02:31:10,430 --> 02:31:08,370
this time last year a little bit earlier

3451
02:31:11,310 --> 02:31:10,440
with a bunch of friends Lyle Blackburn

3452
02:31:12,900 --> 02:31:11,320
who's

3453
02:31:14,881 --> 02:31:12,910
a couple of books on Bigfoot and ken

3454
02:31:17,251 --> 02:31:14,891
gerhart who's written a book called on

3455
02:31:19,440 --> 02:31:17,261
the encounters with flying humanoid it

3456
02:31:22,291 --> 02:31:19,450
was kind of cool to see the the original

3457
02:31:25,140 --> 02:31:22,301
location which it hasn't changed much

3458
02:31:28,140 --> 02:31:25,150
and you know sort of a lots of woodland

3459
02:31:29,551 --> 02:31:28,150
and rivers and you know the ideal place

3460
02:31:33,511 --> 02:31:29,561
if it was a real flesh-and-blood animal

3461
02:31:35,370 --> 02:31:33,521
but like so many of these events he came

3462
02:31:37,381 --> 02:31:35,380
to a sudden end and the creature was

3463
02:31:39,570 --> 02:31:37,391
gone but that is that's one of the very

3464
02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:39,580
few from a relatively modern ear that

3465
02:31:43,470 --> 02:31:41,530
I've got where people are actually

3466
02:31:46,830 --> 02:31:43,480
talking about seeing a wolf-like

3467
02:31:49,051 --> 02:31:46,840
creature that literally changed from you

3468
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:49,061
know a guy around town that nobody

3469
02:31:53,910 --> 02:31:52,570
identified as the werewolf but that for

3470
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:53,920
all intents and purposes that's what

3471
02:31:57,660 --> 02:31:55,090
people were thinking that there was

3472
02:32:00,390 --> 02:31:57,670
somebody in town who at the sight of a

3473
02:32:02,341 --> 02:32:00,400
full moon would literally change into a

3474
02:32:05,490 --> 02:32:02,351
werewolf but those cases are extremely

3475
02:32:08,610 --> 02:32:05,500
sort of few and far between well this is

3476
02:32:11,100 --> 02:32:08,620
so long ago 1972 have there been more

3477
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:11,110
recent things there in defiance I was a

3478
02:32:19,980 --> 02:32:17,530
singular set of events 45 years ago so

3479
02:32:21,541 --> 02:32:19,990
it's not race and recent but compared to

3480
02:32:23,970 --> 02:32:21,551
what I meant was compared to you know

3481
02:32:24,930 --> 02:32:23,980
the three or four hundred year old cases

3482
02:32:27,511 --> 02:32:24,940
it is recent

3483
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:27,521
but what I would say is that all the

3484
02:32:31,591 --> 02:32:29,200
cases I've gotten nearly all the ones

3485
02:32:33,870 --> 02:32:31,601
that Linda has gotten into Godfrey there

3486
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:33,880
is barely a handful where there's been a

3487
02:32:38,881 --> 02:32:36,730
human component with the dog man it's

3488
02:32:40,740 --> 02:32:38,891
always the padalka man is just always

3489
02:32:42,570 --> 02:32:40,750
the dog man even though it has the

3490
02:32:45,961 --> 02:32:42,580
ability to stand on two legs and four

3491
02:32:48,180 --> 02:32:45,971
but they're a very very few maybe three

3492
02:32:50,551 --> 02:32:48,190
or four out of all the six books that

3493
02:32:53,131 --> 02:32:50,561
Linda's written where somebody claims

3494
02:32:55,140 --> 02:32:53,141
that you know they saw a person changing

3495
02:32:57,541 --> 02:32:55,150
into one of these things so so that

3496
02:33:00,810 --> 02:32:57,551
angle today is pretty much out of the

3497
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:00,820
picture you know in terms of what

3498
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:03,610
defines a dog man or a werewolf it's not

3499
02:33:08,310 --> 02:33:06,000
you know somebody gets bitten and then

3500
02:33:10,171 --> 02:33:08,320
full moon comes along you know they

3501
02:33:14,251 --> 02:33:10,181
start growing fangs and and fur and

3502
02:33:16,650 --> 02:33:14,261
whatever here it's not like that today

3503
02:33:19,320 --> 02:33:16,660
you know even if it was with the old

3504
02:33:22,921 --> 02:33:19,330
legends where did those legends begin

3505
02:33:24,590 --> 02:33:22,931
about biting someone a werewolf for

3506
02:33:27,260 --> 02:33:24,600
example and that

3507
02:33:30,050 --> 02:33:27,270
person develops the disease it sounds

3508
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:30,060
like a contagious disease kind of myth

3509
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:32,640
well I think more inclined to think

3510
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:35,250
there were multiple reasons as to why

3511
02:33:38,990 --> 02:33:36,810
these things might be story might

3512
02:33:43,340 --> 02:33:39,000
develop one could be you know a crazy

3513
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:43,350
person who has you know like lycanthropy

3514
02:33:47,899 --> 02:33:44,880
where they literally think they are

3515
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:47,909
changing you know one of the intriguing

3516
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:50,010
things about the the story of the base

3517
02:33:54,019 --> 02:33:52,290
of Shepard on France this creature that

3518
02:33:57,229 --> 02:33:54,029
supposedly slaughtered numerous people

3519
02:33:59,660 --> 02:33:57,239
in the 1700s one of the theories was

3520
02:34:03,320 --> 02:33:59,670
that it could have been a captured hyena

3521
02:34:05,330 --> 02:34:03,330
or an exotic animal brought into France

3522
02:34:07,550 --> 02:34:05,340
from you know possibly Africa somewhere

3523
02:34:09,889 --> 02:34:07,560
like that I don't think there's just one

3524
02:34:11,389 --> 02:34:09,899
explanation but stories like werewolves

3525
02:34:13,189 --> 02:34:11,399
you know there could have been somebody

3526
02:34:16,189 --> 02:34:13,199
may well have been attacked by a pack of

3527
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:16,199
vicious big wolves somebody else had

3528
02:34:21,109 --> 02:34:18,210
lycanthropy you know one could have been

3529
02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:21,119
an exotic animal perceived as a as a

3530
02:34:26,510 --> 02:34:24,210
wolf or a Wolfman and we have the

3531
02:34:28,130 --> 02:34:26,520
supernatural angle of the dog man so you

3532
02:34:31,519 --> 02:34:28,140
know you put all those angles together

3533
02:34:33,710 --> 02:34:31,529
and they unify into one sort of cohesive

3534
02:34:35,179 --> 02:34:33,720
angle of the werewolf you know but it's

3535
02:34:38,330 --> 02:34:35,189
actually several things coming together

3536
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:38,340
and becoming unified I could suppose

3537
02:34:45,050 --> 02:34:41,850
also someone sustains or contracts some

3538
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:45,060
kind of disease that causes growths on

3539
02:34:49,519 --> 02:34:48,000
their face or body and therefore you

3540
02:34:51,790 --> 02:34:49,529
know the legend can go well they were

3541
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:51,800
bitten by something and they became

3542
02:34:57,019 --> 02:34:54,210
another creature and a little bit of

3543
02:34:59,120 --> 02:34:57,029
exaggeration turns them into werewolves

3544
02:35:00,889 --> 02:34:59,130
I guess one good example or one good

3545
02:35:02,929 --> 02:35:00,899
possibility you know if somebody got

3546
02:35:06,469 --> 02:35:02,939
bitten by a rabid dog and you know got

3547
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:06,479
rabies you can find footage online of

3548
02:35:12,050 --> 02:35:08,850
people in the final stages of rabies

3549
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:12,060
they deranged somebody with rabies in

3550
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,130
the final stages that's like the closest

3551
02:35:18,500 --> 02:35:16,080
thing you could imagine to like a real

3552
02:35:21,530 --> 02:35:18,510
zombie outbreak you know they're just

3553
02:35:23,899 --> 02:35:21,540
psychotic almost at times so there were

3554
02:35:26,030 --> 02:35:23,909
people on the loose right rapid dog

3555
02:35:27,889 --> 02:35:26,040
rabid wolf no cura

3556
02:35:30,290 --> 02:35:27,899
but wouldn't it not surprise me at all

3557
02:35:32,269 --> 02:35:30,300
if some might have been born out of some

3558
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:32,279
tragic character who got rabies

3559
02:35:36,439 --> 02:35:34,319
so the Walking Dead is about

3560
02:35:37,450 --> 02:35:36,449
shape-shifting because you turn into

3561
02:35:39,099 --> 02:35:37,460
this other creature

3562
02:35:42,250 --> 02:35:39,109
well I guess she did that right yeah

3563
02:35:44,920 --> 02:35:42,260
that's another type of shifting and we

3564
02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:44,930
have this obsession now with zombies I

3565
02:35:50,170 --> 02:35:46,850
don't understand that at all but then

3566
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:50,180
maybe I'm too old to tear there's a lot

3567
02:35:54,429 --> 02:35:52,010
of garbage out there as well I like that

3568
02:35:57,130 --> 02:35:54,439
show but even I think like your favorite

3569
02:35:59,500 --> 02:35:57,140
band it's time to wrap it up and let's

3570
02:36:01,780 --> 02:35:59,510
go out on a high and not just drag it

3571
02:36:03,790 --> 02:36:01,790
out forever and a day in it the classic

3572
02:36:06,370 --> 02:36:03,800
example of dragging it out milking the

3573
02:36:08,410 --> 02:36:06,380
cow would be ancient aliens I thought

3574
02:36:10,510 --> 02:36:08,420
that show if they were lucky they were

3575
02:36:12,429 --> 02:36:10,520
going to get three seasons out of it and

3576
02:36:15,490 --> 02:36:12,439
it's just absolutely I'm flabbergasted

3577
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:15,500
that they've been able to milk that cow

3578
02:36:20,530 --> 02:36:18,319
for what nothing twelve years now the

3579
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,540
last time I was on it was the last time

3580
02:36:25,389 --> 02:36:22,399
I was on it because I kind of feel the

3581
02:36:26,590 --> 02:36:25,399
same you know we got it wrong but I've

3582
02:36:28,990 --> 02:36:26,600
always been like that with everything

3583
02:36:31,929 --> 02:36:29,000
you know like my favorite athletes or

3584
02:36:34,570 --> 02:36:31,939
bands I always think there's a time to

3585
02:36:37,719 --> 02:36:34,580
stop and I think you know that's you can

3586
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:37,729
relate that to any aspect of life really

3587
02:36:42,219 --> 02:36:41,090
winning time living on something else

3588
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:42,229
will come along there like another

3589
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:44,210
paranormal show or whatever and it'll be

3590
02:36:48,849 --> 02:36:46,370
for a while and there's something else

3591
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:48,859
and something else they'll stop doing

3592
02:36:52,420 --> 02:36:50,090
Star Trek retreads

3593
02:36:54,969 --> 02:36:52,430
fact the latest show Star Trek discovery

3594
02:36:56,830 --> 02:36:54,979
is really called Star Trek retread know

3595
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,840
some people actually like it I only saw

3596
02:37:00,130 --> 02:36:58,160
the one episode of course I want to

3597
02:37:05,349 --> 02:37:00,140
subscribe to another streaming service

3598
02:37:07,210 --> 02:37:05,359
to see it watch any Star Trek seems like

3599
02:37:10,179 --> 02:37:07,220
five or six was a little go over Pat

3600
02:37:11,950 --> 02:37:10,189
maybe eleven but I remember watching the

3601
02:37:14,530 --> 02:37:11,960
first the original series when I was a

3602
02:37:18,610 --> 02:37:14,540
little kid when it was broadcast in the

3603
02:37:21,219 --> 02:37:18,620
so late seventies in England but other

3604
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:21,229
than that and people kind of surprised

3605
02:37:25,540 --> 02:37:22,970
so I'm not really into sci-fi you know

3606
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:25,550
I've never watched anything like these

3607
02:37:29,979 --> 02:37:28,250
other shows like Babylon 5 or Battlestar

3608
02:37:31,150 --> 02:37:29,989
Galactica I've never seen any of them

3609
02:37:32,889 --> 02:37:31,160
I've never seen any of the Star Wars

3610
02:37:35,139 --> 02:37:32,899
movies I've never seen any of the Lord

3611
02:37:36,809 --> 02:37:35,149
of the Rings movies okay where can we

3612
02:37:39,820 --> 02:37:36,819
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3613
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3615
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